Tax the rich? 14 Facts you may want to consider first.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

Waste of good bacon sez I.

Is that thick sliced pepper bacon? McBee will be angry if good bacon is wasted. That slice of bacon could have fed a hungry boston for 2 seconds. Then he would beg for another piece.

[August]

Is that Sally Struthers?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

Is that Sally Struthers?

Winning!

untill every single last person on the goverment dole who gets a free ride has to pay a flat minimum tax on everything they recieve then nothing will be solved. if everyone pays the same tax rate poor and rich alike then the class warfare can stop and the control goverment has over our lives will fade away.

the lovely truth in this country is people living off of the goverment are stuck in a system specificly designed to keep them solely dependent on the goverments free handouts to survive and because of that, out of self preservation, they must never vote for anyone who wants to stop the free gravy train they need to survive, therefore the more poor people you have = more control of our lives by goverment who will make damn sure if you are poor you can never get unpoor because they made the rules designed to cut off all of the help you you need if you ever do anything to try to better yourself.

try to go to school or learn a new skill or trade = lose your benefits (because you arent available to work if you are a student)
do some odd jobs to supliment your low income = lose your benefits (because you have "some" income and it doesnt have to be a living wage just $1 and you have "some" income that disqualifies you according to the rules)
get a part time job = lose your benefits (same as above, even with proof you will starve to death without your benefits, you have to quit your job to get your benefits back or they will subtract dollar for dollar so you end up working totally for free)
sacrifice and save hard to put even as little as $1000 in the bank = lose your benefits (because you have assets of value so you have to blow it all at the casino before you get your benefits back)

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Webster

untill every single last person on the goverment dole who gets a free ride has to pay a flat minimum tax on everything they recieve then nothing will be solved. if everyone pays the same tax rate poor and rich alike then the class warfare can stop and the control goverment has over our lives will fade away.

What's going to raise more money? Raising taxes on the those who bring in 90% of the total wealth in this country, or the rest who bring in 10%? It's very simple math.

Class warfare? They started it. They're the ones who engineered the greatest transfer of wealth from the middle class in history. Screw 'em. If the rich want a class war, we'll give it to them. They always lose that fight anyways.

[Stealhead]

I say that congress should give the lower class and middle class free bacon if they did this the corporate powers could do as they pleased and eliminate the middle class(they will be so happy with the bacon) and congressmen will also love it because it is bacon and they can put those pork barrels they have to good use at at last no one will be calling it "pork barrel" spending any more they will just say, "mmmmm bacon!"

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

What's going to raise more money? Raising taxes on the those who bring in 90% of the total wealth in this country, or the rest who bring in 10%? It's very simple math.

Class warfare? They started it. They're the ones who engineered the greatest transfer of wealth from the middle class in history. Screw 'em. If the rich want a class war, we'll give it to them. They always lose that fight anyways.

how about the 50% of all workers in america who pay $0.00 in taxes every year, even if they only pay $100 a year each thats billions in new tax revenue.

they will be paying taxes with the money goverment gives them so it costs them nothing but in turn, because they are paying taxes, the rules can be changed so they can be allowed to do the very things they want to do in order to better themselves and get out of the dependancy and poverty they live in which they arent allowed to do now under the excuse that its cost savings to cut anyones benefits if they dare to try to not be poor.

as to "If the rich want a class war, we'll give it to them." i missed the front page news where rich people came out and declared war on the poor and middle class? the rich never declared war on anyone anymore then that flower pot in the corner did.

i will give you a choice, there is a guy just like you standing over there and i tell you to choose to make him pay more so you dont have to pay anything for taxes or you and he will both pay the same percentage of your income. now how many people will choose to pay an equal amount based on their income or choose a free ride because they can?

thats why they cry about make the rich pay more and if i was rich and had to pay more then the 60% of my income i already pay then i would start laying off employees because if you cant keep your profits then you have no profits and if you have no profits why pay employees? you have no reason to risk losing money in a buisness if the reward you might get is taken away.

if YOU had to pay 60% of your paycheck in taxes would you think you need to pay more taxes just because congress likes to spend lots of money?

i will say this about the rich and upper middle class, there needs to be means testing to recieve social security. people who dont "need" it shouldnt get it because there are a huge number of people getting checks that are sucking the system dry when they have no real need for the money.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Webster

how about the 50% of all workers in america who pay $0.00 in taxes every year

[citation needed]

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Webster

i will give you a choice, there is a guy just like you standing over there and i tell you to choose to make him pay more so you dont have to pay anything for taxes or you and he will both pay the same percentage of your income. now how many people will choose to pay an equal amount based on their income or choose a free ride because they can?

And I'll respond with the same thing I said before: what's going to raise more money? Raising taxes on the those who bring in 90% of the total wealth in this country, or the rest who bring in 10%? It's very simple math.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

[citation needed]

It's a red herring misrepresentation. 50% of Americans may pay no federal income tax, but that little nugget fails to count the payroll taxes they pay (Medicare & Social Security), the excise taxes they pay, sales tax, property tax, state income tax. It's complete bull.

That being said however, I am all for closing tax loopholes.

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It's a red herring misrepresentation. 50% of Americans may pay no federal income tax, but that little nugget fails to count the payroll taxes they pay (Medicare & Social Security), the excise taxes they pay, sales tax, property tax, state income tax. It's complete bull.

the rich also pay all those same local and sales taxes on top of the income taxes and i was talking about the federal goverments taxes so the truth you wish to ignore might be bull in your mind but it is still there.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Webster

the rich also pay all those same local and sales taxes on top of the income taxes and i was talking about the federal goverments taxes so the truth you wish to ignore might be bull in your mind but it is still there.

But you said 50% of workers pay no tax at all. That's demonstrably false. There's no truth to ignore, there's just the fact that you made a false statement. You don't get to move the goalposts and later say you didn't mean what you said.

[razark]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I am all for closing tax loopholes.

Which is apparently the same as saying "I want to raise taxes." from the way it gets reported.

[Growler]

Residents of Washington DC have on the license plates of their automobiles the legend, "Taxation Without Representation" in protest over the District's long-time lack of voting representation in the Congress of the US. The longer I look at it, the more sense those plates make.

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

But you said 50% of workers pay no tax at all. That's demonstrably false. There's no truth to ignore, there's just the fact that you made a false statement. You don't get to move the goalposts and later say you didn't mean what you said.

it is you moving the goal posts from federal taxes to lemonade stands and local sales taxes, not sure how you can explain how your going to make rich people pay more to buy the same ham sandwich you buy but im sure it makes sense to you.

even though this thread is talking about raising federal income taxes on the rich, yes yes lets split hairs

ok i will restate for your personal satisfaction:

50% of workers pay no INCOME tax at all

[August]

Originally Posted by razark

Which is apparently the same as saying "I want to raise taxes." from the way it gets reported.

Considering the fact that i'd have paid about 3 thousand bucks more in income taxes last year because I wouldn't have been able to deduct my mortgage interest, medical expenses and property taxes i'd consider it a tax increase as well.