The most reckless/foolish thing you have ever done? - Page 4

08-08-11, 07:03 PM

In the late summer of 1944 tried to take a snorkel equipped Type IXC into the Gulf of St. Lawrence via the Belle Isle Straight between the island of Newfoundland and the Labrador coast.

Shallow water, no merchant traffic, lots of aircraft, bored Escort Groups looking for trouble and no place to run; it had to end badly and indeed, it did.

Walruss · 08-08-11, 07:17 PM

The funny thing is guys.... realism was at 100%. it was insane. They just couldn't hit me :S

-=[TEK]=-Geezer · 08-08-11, 07:19 PM

I dove too deep and was crushed before I knew it.

SubConscious · 08-08-11, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Walruss

The funny thing is guys.... realism was at 100%. it was insane. They just couldn't hit me :S

Wow... Just wow.... The SH3 gods were smiling on you on that patrol.

Please disregard my last post.

Fish In The Water · 08-08-11, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Schwieger

I think this kind of explains itself...

Good one... Best enjoy it while it lasts 'cause that's gonna be a very short patrol.

Walruss · 08-08-11, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SubConscious

Wow... Just wow.... The SH3 gods were smiling on you on that patrol.

Please disregard my last post.

Yeah... I dunno what it was. The rounds were spalshing all around, but no serious hits.

My advice to anyone caught in a gunfight with something armed: Keep your boat pointed straight at them and go as fast as you can (in either direction)

It is a pretty small target so... :S

Willem VonBoom · 08-08-11, 11:12 PM

I'm still having luck in mid 41' charging directly at a destroyer with my deck gun going so they don't notice the eel in the water. It seems like when I'm going at them at 17 knots and they're coming at me at 25, they can't ever get a good range. course, a single eel directly into the bow of even a black swan seems to do the trick.

Walruss · 08-08-11, 11:13 PM

LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME! At those closing speeds, wouldn't be more than a minute or so you'd need to distract them either, right?

Sailor Steve · 08-08-11, 11:44 PM

Only in a game.

Willem VonBoom · 08-08-11, 11:56 PM

there's no need for a solution, you just put it on a 360 gyro angle, and loose it before she's in the 500m range, and then time your crash dive right so you don't collide with the derned brits... works rather well, really.

sublynx · 08-09-11, 12:37 AM

Surface attack against a warship reveals one major flaw in the game engine. Smaller caliber weaponry is not simulated too well. Even a destroyer or maybe even an armed trawler would have had some serious firepower from 20 mm, 13.7 mm and 7.92 mm AA guns, machine guns and rifles. The automatic weapons would have wiped the U-boat gunners off the decks in no time.

Even if the gunners would somehow have survived they wouldn't have had a chance to shoot many shots as the ammo would have needed to be carried to the gun. The loading process of forming a long line of u-boat crewmen passing ammo forward to the deck gun is not simulated either.

There are no trenches or foxholes on a U-boat deck. Small arms fire from a warship comes from a higher point, from multiple places and from better cover. An interesting description of a surface battle against a destroyer and a U-boat can be found if one googles USS Borie.

I find descriptions about voluntary surface attacks against warships a bit irritating, because I take history and simulations too seriously

But in the end the main point here is having fun. So if you like sinking warships with surface attacks - SINK 'EM ALL!!

SubConscious · 08-09-11, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Only in a game.

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Originally Posted by sublynx

Surface attack against a warship reveals one major flaw in the game engine. Smaller caliber weaponry is not simulated too well. Even a destroyer or maybe even an armed trawler would have had some serious firepower from 20 mm, 13.7 mm and 7.92 mm AA guns, machine guns and rifles. The automatic weapons would have wiped the U-boat gunners off the decks in no time.

Even if the gunners would somehow have survived they wouldn't have had a chance to shoot many shots as the ammo would have needed to be carried to the gun. The loading process of forming a long line of u-boat crewmen passing ammo forward to the deck gun is not simulated either.

There are no trenches or foxholes on a U-boat deck. Small arms fire from a warship comes from a higher point, from multiple places and from better cover. An interesting description of a surface battle against a destroyer and a U-boat can be found if one googles USS Borie.

I find descriptions about voluntary surface attacks against warships a bit irritating, because I take history and simulations too seriously

But in the end the main point here is having fun. So if you like sinking warships with surface attacks - SINK 'EM ALL!!

Well said. For that matter, a good rifleman with an '03 Springfield could probably clear a U-Boat deck gun crew without too much difficulty. For me, I think it's more realistic to assume that I'm outgunned at all times in surface actions. It's not worth the risk of a pressure hull puncture.

Jankowski · 08-10-11, 06:02 AM

Actually, there is a reason the crew manned the 2cm flak gun. It was to ensure no drunk waving a Webley around would wipe out the deck gun crew. That is the same reason why some U-boats even had MG-34s and 42s on the conning tower, not to mention fire support in the form of the U-boats MP-40s. While all this was enough to cover the crew if they were firing at a small merchant, it would have in no way been sufficient to tackle a destroyer or even an armed tugboat.

The most retarded way I died was trying to take a sortcut over land.....did not work!

Willem VonBoom · 08-10-11, 11:05 AM

Wow!

From wikipedia -

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U-405's deck armament was extensive: in addition to the 88 mm gun, she also had six MG 42 machine guns, in one quadruple and two single mounts.

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At a key moment in the fight, as Borie's port side crewmen were running out of 20 mm and small arms ammunition, two Germans broke from their protected position behind the bridge and approached the quad mount gun. A thrown sheath knife pierced a German crewman's abdomen and he fell overboard.[3] Unable to bring his gun to bear, one of the 4 inch gun captains threw an empty 4 inch shell casing at the other German sailor, and successfully knocked him overboard as well.[4]

Why can't I have 6 MG42s on my Conn?

sublynx · 08-10-11, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Willem VonBoom

Why can't I have 6 MG42s on my Conn?

That's definetely something that would be nice to have modded in.

However, I seriously doubt that U-405 really had six MG42's. I have never heard of quadruple MG42. MG42's barrel got so hot in shooting that barrels had to be constantly changed. Changing four barrels on a u-boat deck under fire would be quite hectic. I think U-405 probably had a Flakvierling, a 20 mm AA gun with four 20 mm gun barrels. U-405 probably had machine guns as well, but not in that quantity that USS Borie's crewmen reported. I think it's more likely that USS Borie's crewmen only thought so, mixing U-405's 20mm guns as MG42's. The battle happened during the night and U-405 was sunk, so they didn't really have a good look at it in daylight.

08-08-11, 07:17 PM	#47
Walruss Soundman Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 144 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	The funny thing is guys.... realism was at 100%. it was insane. They just couldn't hit me :S __________________ Lt. Z. S . Werner Krautsch Assigned: U-66 (IXc), 2nd Flot. 1. JAN 1941 Date: JAN 41 Patrols Completed: 0 Warships:0 Subs:0 Merchants: 0 Status: AT SEA

08-08-11, 11:13 PM	#53
Walruss Soundman Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 144 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME! At those closing speeds, wouldn't be more than a minute or so you'd need to distract them either, right? __________________ Lt. Z. S . Werner Krautsch Assigned: U-66 (IXc), 2nd Flot. 1. JAN 1941 Date: JAN 41 Patrols Completed: 0 Warships:0 Subs:0 Merchants: 0 Status: AT SEA

08-08-11, 11:44 PM	#54
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Only in a game. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-09-11, 12:37 AM	#56
sublynx Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In the conning tower of my VIIC scanning the sea through the periscope Posts: 1,698 Downloads: 173 Uploads: 7	Surface attack against a warship reveals one major flaw in the game engine. Smaller caliber weaponry is not simulated too well. Even a destroyer or maybe even an armed trawler would have had some serious firepower from 20 mm, 13.7 mm and 7.92 mm AA guns, machine guns and rifles. The automatic weapons would have wiped the U-boat gunners off the decks in no time. Even if the gunners would somehow have survived they wouldn't have had a chance to shoot many shots as the ammo would have needed to be carried to the gun. The loading process of forming a long line of u-boat crewmen passing ammo forward to the deck gun is not simulated either. There are no trenches or foxholes on a U-boat deck. Small arms fire from a warship comes from a higher point, from multiple places and from better cover. An interesting description of a surface battle against a destroyer and a U-boat can be found if one googles USS Borie. I find descriptions about voluntary surface attacks against warships a bit irritating, because I take history and simulations too seriously But in the end the main point here is having fun. So if you like sinking warships with surface attacks - SINK 'EM ALL!! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] NYGM+H.sie v16+Stiebler 4C+MaGui WS

08-10-11, 06:02 AM	#58
Jankowski Frogman Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 306 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Actually, there is a reason the crew manned the 2cm flak gun. It was to ensure no drunk waving a Webley around would wipe out the deck gun crew. That is the same reason why some U-boats even had MG-34s and 42s on the conning tower, not to mention fire support in the form of the U-boats MP-40s. While all this was enough to cover the crew if they were firing at a small merchant, it would have in no way been sufficient to tackle a destroyer or even an armed tugboat. The most retarded way I died was trying to take a sortcut over land.....did not work! __________________ Want a Silent Hunter game with no bugs? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhB8_kvT9ms

08-08-11, 07:03 PM	#46
Randomizer Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	In the late summer of 1944 tried to take a snorkel equipped Type IXC into the Gulf of St. Lawrence via the Belle Isle Straight between the island of Newfoundland and the Labrador coast. Shallow water, no merchant traffic, lots of aircraft, bored Escort Groups looking for trouble and no place to run; it had to end badly and indeed, it did.

08-08-11, 07:19 PM	#48
-=[TEK]=-Geezer Nub Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I dove too deep and was crushed before I knew it.

08-08-11, 11:12 PM	#52
Willem VonBoom Seaman Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 36 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	I'm still having luck in mid 41' charging directly at a destroyer with my deck gun going so they don't notice the eel in the water. It seems like when I'm going at them at 17 knots and they're coming at me at 25, they can't ever get a good range. course, a single eel directly into the bow of even a black swan seems to do the trick.

08-08-11, 11:56 PM	#55
Willem VonBoom Seaman Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 36 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	there's no need for a solution, you just put it on a 360 gyro angle, and loose it before she's in the 500m range, and then time your crash dive right so you don't collide with the derned brits... works rather well, really.