MOD CONFLICT

[Trasgu2010]

HI every body!!!

Everything was ok untill my 6th patrol.
I made some changes in my mod list including someones which I´d like to have but then I started having CTD.
I made some changes since but I don´t know How I can realign my mod list in order to have a working=runing mod list.

Can you tell me what is wrong?
Do I have to put the mods in a different order?.

I have a look to Aces,Frau kaleun,FITZCARRALDO,Rudewarrior,Sailor Steve and some others Mods ORDER LIST and I think that mine It´s similar.But doesn´t work.
Even I removed Thomsens Sound Pack.

Here you have my mod list.

[frau kaleun]

Can't speak for the others you mentioned, but I usually put a disclaimer when posting my mods list noting that a lot of them are only compatible with each other because I've tinkered with them or applied homemade fixes.

That said, nothing in your list that I'm familiar with jumps out at me as being problematic, but there are some mods there that I know nothing about at all. Hope someone else can be more helpful.

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by Trasgu2010

Everything was ok untill my 6th patrol.
I made some changes in my mod list including someones which I´d like to have but then I started having CTD.

Do you recall which mods you added between everything running okay and the start of the CTD's? If so, start by rolling them back one at a time to single out the culprit.

[Trasgu2010]

I think that I solved the problem in part.

First problem=SH3 Commander r3.2.

I made a wrong multi installation of SH3 Commander r3.2.

I made new Installation of GWX 3.0 Gold avec cette nom: "SHIIIGWX3.0GoldSH3CommanderMEDITERRANEO"

I made a scond installation of SH3 Commander r3.2 in this way:

I create a folder called "SH3Commander r3.2-Mediterraneo" and I installed Commander into this folder.Then I installed SH3Cmdr Config files for GWX3.0

But This did not work at all.

I do not know why the previous installation of Commander and the new installation of Commander are mixSo when I launch=Start Commander I have a CTD

Second Problem:

Aces' Multimod compatability fix v1.6 beta.

You MUST HAVE (ALL) the following mods enabled:
GWX_DFa-Flag&Pens_2010, FM30_UpDown_final, FM_NewInterior_V1.0, Conning Tower open Hatch TestFMfood, Depthcharge Shake v2.01, Urfischs_ModStrike_Beta1, Waterstream+Exhaust Combi V2.3 for GWX3, to ensure correct operation.

And I do not have:

FM_NewInterior_V1.0
Conning Tower open Hatch TestFMfood

Which are really nice ones but I can´t install ´cause I have only 2GB of RAM and If I install those ones I have no more than 5-10 fps.

So when I launch=Start I have a CTD ´cuse I do not have Enought RAM.

Now I´m gonna try only one installation of SH3 Commander R3.2 and all the mods Except "Aces' Multimod compatability fix v1.6 beta".

Originally Posted by Trasgu2010

HI every body!!!

Everything was ok untill my 6th patrol.
I made some changes in my mod list including someones which I´d like to have but then I started having CTD.
I made some changes since but I don´t know How I can realign my mod list in order to have a working=runing mod list.

Can you tell me what is wrong?
Do I have to put the mods in a different order?.

I have a look to Aces,Frau kaleun,FITZCARRALDO,Rudewarrior,Sailor Steve and some others Mods ORDER LIST and I think that mine It´s similar.But doesn´t work.
Even I removed Thomsens Sound Pack.

Here you have my mod list.

[Victor Schutze]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Can't speak for the others you mentioned, but I usually put a disclaimer when posting my mods list noting that a lot of them are only compatible with each other because I've tinkered with them or applied homemade fixes.

That said, nothing in your list that I'm familiar with jumps out at me as being problematic, but there are some mods there that I know nothing about at all. Hope someone else can be more helpful.

That is where the weakness of the mod system lies:

It is difficult for the novice to figure out how to tweak the mods so that they are compatible. Piling up the mods does not work all the time.

If some of the modders were willing to give the details of the tweaks between two mods, a novice player would have an easier time.

Any idea if one of you have this information?

Help appreciated.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Victor Schutze

That is where the weakness of the mod system lies:

It is difficult for the novice to figure out how to tweak the mods so that they are compatible. Piling up the mods does not work all the time.

If some of the modders were willing to give the details of the tweaks between two mods, a novice player would have an easier time.

Any idea if one of you have this information?

Help appreciated.

I always appreciate it when a modder makes a point of saying what can be done or undone to make something compatible with something else. Usually if it's a minor thing I just ask - for instance it's a lot easier to know that there's only one small change to commands_xx.cfg, and be told what it is, and then go make the edit manually rather than having to search for it. And some modders will actually give instructions for doing the edits manually if that's a user's preference.

But I frequently spend a lot of time going over files that are shared between mods, entry by entry in Winmerge or S3D, to see what the differences are if any and whether or not I can make a combined file that will account for everything I need to run all the mods I want. Some people would hate that, or simply don't have the time, but as much as I grumble about it to myself when I'm doing it and can't quite figure something out as quick as I'd like, I have learned a TON of stuff about how things work. And personally I like that.

One of the issues involved here is the sheer number of mods out there - it would be impossible for a modder to give instructions for compatibility tweaks that would account for even a small fraction of the stuff that various people use or want to use in combination. So I just figure if I can't see how something might work or could work, and it's important enough to my gaming experience that I really want to give it a shot, I'll just ask. The nice thing is that with a great community like this, help is so readily available.

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

But I frequently spend a lot of time going over files that are shared between mods, entry by entry in Winmerge or S3D, to see what the differences are if any and whether or not I can make a combined file that will account for everything I need to run all the mods I want.

I see we suffer from the same affliction, although in my mind the jury remains out on whether this amounts to good mod-management or obsessive micro-managing.

Either way, I'm happy so no need to rock the boat.

[FIREWALL]

JSGME has a feature when you open it called Task right in the middle.

Wren you click it it opens to show 4 tasks it will do.

The second one is " Generate a snapshot of game files " Mods.

Now you have a copy of what mods work toghter so when you add alot more mods at once you, have a snapshot to compare to.

That's another feature.

[Victor Schutze]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I always appreciate it when a modder makes a point of saying what can be done or undone to make something compatible with something else. Usually if it's a minor thing I just ask - for instance it's a lot easier to know that there's only one small change to commands_xx.cfg, and be told what it is, and then go make the edit manually rather than having to search for it. And some modders will actually give instructions for doing the edits manually if that's a user's preference.

But I frequently spend a lot of time going over files that are shared between mods, entry by entry in Winmerge or S3D, to see what the differences are if any and whether or not I can make a combined file that will account for everything I need to run all the mods I want. Some people would hate that, or simply don't have the time, but as much as I grumble about it to myself when I'm doing it and can't quite figure something out as quick as I'd like, I have learned a TON of stuff about how things work. And personally I like that.

One of the issues involved here is the sheer number of mods out there - it would be impossible for a modder to give instructions for compatibility tweaks that would account for even a small fraction of the stuff that various people use or want to use in combination. So I just figure if I can't see how something might work or could work, and it's important enough to my gaming experience that I really want to give it a shot, I'll just ask. The nice thing is that with a great community like this, help is so readily available.

I understand, but if you or another modder / player has successfully managed to make a tweak between two or several mods, why not share the detailed process of the tweak in a specific thread!?

I see everyday players having difficulties with their mod soup: it would be helpful that they find a specific thread in which they can find a detailed process.

Most of the time players like myself stack 50 mods on top of each other and try to sort them out because we want all the last cool mods. This is normal, but not everything works out well. In my case, when i want to go from the command room to the conning tower, i get a camera view outside of the boat

This was one year ago and i never succeeded in fixing the problem, therefore i just don't click on the conning tower and bypass it to go directly to the Attack periscope view or the bride.

And i come EVERYDAY on this site to see whether i would find answers to my questions. Sometimes i find the answer, most times i don't due to the fact that explanations are not clear or unavailable.

My dream is if one day i manage to make compatible two mods- which i doubt of course- i shall put a detailed procedure to help my fellow Kaleuns!

It would be a good way TO ATTRACT MORE NEW KALEUNS to this site if a thread existed with DETAILED PROCEDURES.

On the long run, i am confident that most of the difficult mods cases would be clarified to the masses of Kaleuns who, as you emphasized in your post, don't have the time or the skills-or both like myself- to figure out these specific tweaks.

I am frustrated and exhausted.

The ball is in your camp.

[Victor Schutze]

But at any rate, if it does not happen, well, I'll just play with what i can have. SH3 + GWX + ~50 to 60 mods is what i want to play. I'll never come back to vanilla SH3.

SH3 is THE ONLY COMPUTER GAME I PLAY! I started playing Silent Service on an Amiga computer in the 80's and i'll play a ww2 subsim until i die.

I played only once since the start of this year though...this website is my homepage, i come here everyday to find answers...that i never find!

I come here and i just read those threads where the "big guys" manage to make their mods to work...and i envy them...so i go watch Das Boot one more time, it makes me feel a little better...a little only.

Sorry to bother you with my problems...

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by Victor Schutze

...this website is my homepage, i come here everyday to find answers...that i never find!

Sorry to hear that. I know it can be really frustrating at times, (especially when there's a mountain of material to sift through).

It may be small consolation, but the modders face a number of difficulties as well, not the least of which is the inability to anticipate where the next conflict may arise.

The good news is, there's a lot of help readily available as many members make a real effort to assist and provide answers as best they can.

Better still almost no one ever complains about being 'bothered with someone else's problems.' We're all here to learn and help one another along the way.

Last but not least, when I run into seemingly unanswerable issues, I refocus my efforts in another direction where I can make headway. That way I'm still progressing while leaving the door open for the answer to eventually arise.

Hang in there Victor, we're happy you make SubSim your homepage and hope you'll find the answers you're looking for!

[frau kaleun]

I think when people find a fix or tweak that solves a problem they know other people have already asked about, they are more inclined to post it. I know I am. There are some longstanding or widely reported issues that, if you frequent the forums on a regular basis, you just know are out there because they've been talked about so much.

If someone does ask about a specific problem and I've got a solution or workaround, and I see the question, I always try to share what info or suggestions I've got. If someone looks at my mod list and asks how I got mod X to work with mod Y, I'll do my best to answer. If they report a problem with using mod X and mod Y that I solved to my own satisfaction, I'll certainly pitch in and help if I can.

[Victor Schutze]

Whatever...

[frau kaleun]

Whatever...

I'm sorry you feel that way. I have no fix for your problem, nor is it one I've tried to address myself AFAIK.

That said, most of what I do to tweak my setup or make my mod combo compatible is done by following the instructions or suggestions already provided in the threads about the mods I use or in the documentation that comes with them.

If I uncovered something that I thought was new or not otherwise documented and it fixed a problem I believed other people were having, I would post about it. If someone asks about a problem and I have the answer or know where it is likely to be found, I'll certainly do my best to point the person to it. If it's something I have any clue about whatsoever, I'll do my best to help if I can.

What I'm not gonna do is start a whole new thread about a fix that is already well documented elsewhere just because I tried it and it worked. And for the things I do, that's all it is 99% of the time.

[Trasgu2010]

Mod Conflict finally solved.

Now I have a working list.The one that I removed from list was "Aces' Multimod compatability fix v1.6 beta".
and I installed "WB´s Mission Orders".

Now I´m going to try amulti installation of SH3 Commander r3.2

Originally Posted by Trasgu2010

I think that I solved the problem in part.

First problem=SH3 Commander r3.2.

I made a wrong multi installation of SH3 Commander r3.2.

I made new Installation of GWX 3.0 Gold avec cette nom: "SHIIIGWX3.0GoldSH3CommanderMEDITERRANEO"

I made a scond installation of SH3 Commander r3.2 in this way:

I create a folder called "SH3Commander r3.2-Mediterraneo" and I installed Commander into this folder.Then I installed SH3Cmdr Config files for GWX3.0

But This did not work at all.

I do not know why the previous installation of Commander and the new installation of Commander are mixSo when I launch=Start Commander I have a CTD

Second Problem:

Aces' Multimod compatability fix v1.6 beta.

You MUST HAVE (ALL) the following mods enabled:
GWX_DFa-Flag&Pens_2010, FM30_UpDown_final, FM_NewInterior_V1.0, Conning Tower open Hatch TestFMfood, Depthcharge Shake v2.01, Urfischs_ModStrike_Beta1, Waterstream+Exhaust Combi V2.3 for GWX3, to ensure correct operation.

And I do not have:

FM_NewInterior_V1.0
Conning Tower open Hatch TestFMfood

Which are really nice ones but I can´t install ´cause I have only 2GB of RAM and If I install those ones I have no more than 5-10 fps.

So when I launch=Start I have a CTD ´cuse I do not have Enought RAM.

Now I´m gonna try only one installation of SH3 Commander R3.2 and all the mods Except "Aces' Multimod compatability fix v1.6 beta".