Red Tails (2012) - Page 2

Growler · 07-30-11, 08:44 PM

It's dramatic. It's aircraft. It's air combat. It's Hollywood. And it's got that blockbuster bang-boom look of it in the trailer. I'll go.

If it gets just ONE kid - ONE teenager - ONE adult - interested in these aircraft and these men enough to go to an airfield or a museum and see the real thing, talk to the real guys, before it's too late to do so...

...then it will have been totally worth it.

Stealhead · 07-30-11, 10:27 PM

I agree with Growler Hollywood makes movies to entertain the masses there is no reason to expect any movie to 100% accurate the goal is to entertain people.

Any film that gets people interested is a good thing.I am willing to bet that many many history buffs got introduced by some Hollywood style show or movie.What got me into to military history was Black Sheep Squadron re-runs that I saw when I was around 10.That show is rather inaccurate ans stylized but I liked it and it got me interested.Another show was MASH also not that accurate but again it got me interested a third show was Tour of Duty again not the most accurate but it got me interested and got my father talking about Vietnam when he had not in years.

I bet you that there are young men that played Call of Duty:Black Ops and the SOG in it and wanted to find out the real story about them.

Osmium Steele · 08-01-11, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Growler

It's dramatic. It's aircraft. It's air combat. It's Hollywood. And it's got that blockbuster bang-boom look of it in the trailer. I'll go.

If it gets just ONE kid - ONE teenager - ONE adult - interested in these aircraft and these men enough to go to an airfield or a museum and see the real thing, talk to the real guys, before it's too late to do so...

...then it will have been totally worth it.

+1

Jimbuna · 08-01-11, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

It's dramatic. It's aircraft. It's air combat. It's Hollywood. And it's got that blockbuster bang-boom look of it in the trailer. I'll go.

If it gets just ONE kid - ONE teenager - ONE adult - interested in these aircraft and these men enough to go to an airfield or a museum and see the real thing, talk to the real guys, before it's too late to do so...

...then it will have been totally worth it.

Yeah, I'll go along with that but the first priority of the movie is that it entertains!!

nikimcbee · 08-01-11, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I cringe when I see the words "Inspired by a true story". That's worse than "based on a true story".

Why could they not make a movie on the actual history of the 332nd FG?

I guess history and the truth is not entertaining enough these days.

Dammit, you stole my thunder

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It's based on a true story, meaning it has WW2 equipment.

I was going to say, is this the prequel to "Hart's War?"

On a side note, kinda tired of the hollywood "race-baiting" flicks

GT182 · 08-01-11, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

It's dramatic. It's aircraft. It's air combat. It's Hollywood. And it's got that blockbuster bang-boom look of it in the trailer. I'll go.

If it gets just ONE kid - ONE teenager - ONE adult - interested in these aircraft and these men enough to go to an airfield or a museum and see the real thing, talk to the real guys, before it's too late to do so...

...then it will have been totally worth it.

Xs 2.

Couldn't have said it any better.

Reece · 08-01-11, 09:18 PM

Looks like scenes from 3D Mark03, or very similar!!

Definitely be watching that one!! (Blu-Ray)

Anthony W. · 08-01-11, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I know, I was waiting for the wings to come off...

You know, in instances, a tail slide like that was possible...

The uber 262 was BS tho

And you're awesome. I love finding other people who know that the P-51 wasn't some uber UFO.

Stealhead · 08-01-11, 11:06 PM

Most people who know something about military aviation would know that the P-51 was no uber UFO that really should not be so surprising to you unless you don't talk to many folks that are into the sames things you are.

Again though it is a movie and movies are supposed to entertain and excite people and those type maneuvers are more exciting to watch than a P-51 pulling a boom and zoom which lets be honest is a little boring accurate as it may be more fun in IL-2 but not everyone plays sims either and would not get the excitement I might get from having "pulled off" boom and zoom kills in IL-2 you want it to be fun to a lay person.From what they show it looks like they tried to balance the maneuvering it is not 100% accurate but not way over the top either.

You have to view things objectively Apocalypse Now is one of my favorite films ever but I also know that compared to factual Vietnam it is very unrealistic.

Now if I wanted to get really nit picky I could say "I wont watch this movie unless they fly according to real life physics,Fly the correct model P-40,Fly the P-51B/C in most of the movie and fly the P-51D only in the last half.Thing is if you are nit picky about everything you will end up enjoying nothing I am saying this in general not specifically to Anthony W.

And like I said before a movie like this will attract some people to find out the real story on the Tuskegee airmen,WWII aviation,WWII so on and so forth most people with half a brain know when they are seeing Hollywood for fun for excitement type things and when they are seeing something realistic.Movies are a temporary escape form reality from you troubles,fears.

Sailor Steve · 08-01-11, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony W.

You know, in instances, a tail slide like that was possible...

Not as dramatic as they made it look. That one shot made it look like it could outturn a biplane.

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I love finding other people who know that the P-51 wasn't some uber UFO.

Too bad you guys weren't here a couple of years ago. I went 'round and 'round with a guy who insisted that the Mustang was worlds better than anything else in the sky. I couldn't make him understand that the P-51's claim to fame was that it was the only single-engined fighter with the range to escort bombers from England to Berlin and back again. It was marginally faster than the late-model Bf.109s, and the turn radius was about the same. In return the 109G-10 and K models could outclimb the Mustang and rolled faster. The Germans were also limited to 85-octane fuel. If they could have gotten our 100-octane they may have been just as fast.

But we'll never know. I hate it when they make planes do things they shouldn't, but hey, it's got planes in it, so they'll get my money. Once. More will depend on how well they pull it off.

Hottentot · 08-01-11, 11:31 PM

P-51 won teh war! (*Runs away from the angry IL-2 Luftwhiners giggling like a maniac*)

Seriously speaking, I remember fondly when I frequented Ubisoft's IL-2 forums as a lurker and there were many discussions concerning the plane and how it compared to its counterparts. The best comment I remember from those discussions was someone saying along the lines: "Of course, no matter from whom you ask, you will hear that their plane was the best and could do anything. Those who might disagree aren't here anymore."

Anthony W. · 08-01-11, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot

P-51 won teh war! (*Runs away from the angry IL-2 Luftwhiners giggling like a maniac*)

Seriously speaking, I remember fondly when I frequented Ubisoft's IL-2 forums as a lurker and there were many discussions concerning the plane and how it compared to its counterparts. The best comment I remember from those discussions was someone saying along the lines: "Of course, no matter from whom you ask, you will hear that their plane was the best and could do anything. Those who might disagree aren't here anymore."

B-29 won the war if any plane.

And, yeah, it did make it look like it could out turn a biplane.

"Inverted rolling reversal" comes to mind when I think of something like that.

If you jerked the controls back quick enough, your tail would slide very well. The issue with that and the movie is that it'd also bring your airspeed to 0 and you'd drop like a rock.

IL-2 FTW!

Raptor1 · 08-01-11, 11:50 PM

In IL-2 the thing is an even bigger stall monkey than the Fw 190 Dora, flying it is guaranteed to get you into a spiraling death in less time than it takes for a 262 to explode on the runway.

Well, while the P-51 hardly won the war, and I'm not really that big a fan of it (The P-39 and P-63, those were awesome!), it worked very well in its intended role as a long range escort fighter.

Anthony W. · 08-02-11, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

In IL-2 the thing is an even bigger stall monkey than the Fw 190 Dora, flying it is guaranteed to get you into a spiraling death in less time than it takes for a 262 to explode on the runway.

Well, while the P-51 hardly won the war, and I'm not really that big a fan of it (The P-39 and P-63, those were awesome!), it worked very well in its intended role as a long range escort fighter.

In IL-2 all planes fly like Russian planes. They have this little lag before they stall, and a tail slide is physically impossible. We're just learning the aerodynamic and flight modeling system. Our biggest leap yet is the fire and forget missile system and having broken the sound barrier.

Dowly · 08-02-11, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony W.

In IL-2 all planes fly like Russian planes.

Except the I-16, that one's a UFO.

07-30-11, 08:44 PM	#16
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	It's dramatic. It's aircraft. It's air combat. It's Hollywood. And it's got that blockbuster bang-boom look of it in the trailer. I'll go. If it gets just ONE kid - ONE teenager - ONE adult - interested in these aircraft and these men enough to go to an airfield or a museum and see the real thing, talk to the real guys, before it's too late to do so... ...then it will have been totally worth it. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

08-01-11, 09:18 PM	#22
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,722 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Looks like scenes from 3D Mark03, or very similar!! Definitely be watching that one!! (Blu-Ray) __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

08-01-11, 11:06 PM	#24
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Most people who know something about military aviation would know that the P-51 was no uber UFO that really should not be so surprising to you unless you don't talk to many folks that are into the sames things you are. Again though it is a movie and movies are supposed to entertain and excite people and those type maneuvers are more exciting to watch than a P-51 pulling a boom and zoom which lets be honest is a little boring accurate as it may be more fun in IL-2 but not everyone plays sims either and would not get the excitement I might get from having "pulled off" boom and zoom kills in IL-2 you want it to be fun to a lay person.From what they show it looks like they tried to balance the maneuvering it is not 100% accurate but not way over the top either. You have to view things objectively Apocalypse Now is one of my favorite films ever but I also know that compared to factual Vietnam it is very unrealistic. Now if I wanted to get really nit picky I could say "I wont watch this movie unless they fly according to real life physics,Fly the correct model P-40,Fly the P-51B/C in most of the movie and fly the P-51D only in the last half.Thing is if you are nit picky about everything you will end up enjoying nothing I am saying this in general not specifically to Anthony W. And like I said before a movie like this will attract some people to find out the real story on the Tuskegee airmen,WWII aviation,WWII so on and so forth most people with half a brain know when they are seeing Hollywood for fun for excitement type things and when they are seeing something realistic.Movies are a temporary escape form reality from you troubles,fears. Last edited by Stealhead; 08-01-11 at 11:17 PM.

08-01-11, 11:31 PM	#26
Hottentot Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My private socialist utopia of Finland Posts: 1,918 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	P-51 won teh war! (Runs away from the angry IL-2 Luftwhiners giggling like a maniac) Seriously speaking, I remember fondly when I frequented Ubisoft's IL-2 forums as a lurker and there were many discussions concerning the plane and how it compared to its counterparts. The best comment I remember from those discussions was someone saying along the lines: "Of course, no matter from whom you ask, you will hear that their plane was the best and could do anything. Those who might disagree aren't here anymore." __________________ Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.

08-01-11, 11:50 PM	#28
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	In IL-2 the thing is an even bigger stall monkey than the Fw 190 Dora, flying it is guaranteed to get you into a spiraling death in less time than it takes for a 262 to explode on the runway. Well, while the P-51 hardly won the war, and I'm not really that big a fan of it (The P-39 and P-63, those were awesome!), it worked very well in its intended role as a long range escort fighter. __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

07-30-11, 10:27 PM	#17
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I agree with Growler Hollywood makes movies to entertain the masses there is no reason to expect any movie to 100% accurate the goal is to entertain people. Any film that gets people interested is a good thing.I am willing to bet that many many history buffs got introduced by some Hollywood style show or movie.What got me into to military history was Black Sheep Squadron re-runs that I saw when I was around 10.That show is rather inaccurate ans stylized but I liked it and it got me interested.Another show was MASH also not that accurate but again it got me interested a third show was Tour of Duty again not the most accurate but it got me interested and got my father talking about Vietnam when he had not in years. I bet you that there are young men that played Call of Duty:Black Ops and the SOG in it and wanted to find out the real story about them.