Red Tails (2012)

Dowly · 07-30-11, 07:52 AM

The combat looked ridiculous. Not only the über 262's, but check the insta-turn
the 51 does taking out the 262.

Oberon · 07-30-11, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

The combat looked ridiculous. Not only the über 262's, but check the insta-turn
the 51 does taking out the 262.

I know, I was waiting for the wings to come off...

Schöneboom · 07-30-11, 10:58 AM

Looks like a big-budget version of HBO's "The Tuskegee Airmen" (1995). Funny, Cuba Gooding Jr.'s in both versions (this time he's a major). The CGI aerial combat reminds me of Michael Bay's "Pearl Harbor".

Jimbuna · 07-30-11, 11:03 AM

Good use of CGI I thought...looking forward to seeing it

Platapus · 07-30-11, 11:16 AM

I cringe when I see the words "Inspired by a true story". That's worse than "based on a true story".

Why could they not make a movie on the actual history of the 332nd FG?

I guess history and the truth is not entertaining enough these days.

Dowly · 07-30-11, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I guess history and the truth is not entertaining enough these days.

The popularity of shows such as Deadliest Warrior would indicate so.

Buddahaid · 07-30-11, 11:47 AM

Another possibly entertaining movie I'll never watch due to stupid CGI graphics that defy all reality for cheap thrills. This is the spawn of console gaming's action for action's sake and made for little boys to have wet dreams over. Star Wars has more integrity!

TLAM Strike · 07-30-11, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I guess history and the truth is not entertaining enough these days.

There are entire channels dedicated to that philosophy now, like...

Aliens, Pawnshops, the Apocalypse and trying to sell crappy computer games is way more important than history and truth...

Platapus · 07-30-11, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

There are entire channels dedicated to that philosophy now, like...

Aliens, Pawnshops, the Apocalypse and trying to sell crappy computer games is way more important than history and truth...

Fortunately, I am old enough to remember the days when the History Channel had actual historical programs.

moose1am · 01-22-12, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

There are entire channels dedicated to that philosophy now, like...

Aliens, Pawnshops, the Apocalypse and trying to sell crappy computer games is way more important than history and truth...

The History Channel use to be one of my favorite channels on TV until they took all the military stuff out of it and put it on the Military Channel.

Now all the history channel has is "PICKERS" and that's boring compared to what the History Channel used to have.

Seeing the Promo for Red Tails makes me wish that Fighter Ace had not gone out of business. I doubt it will ever be brought back to life with the current folks who own the rights to it now. They have the willpower but not the money or the expertise. It's a shame too.

But I do agree that some of the loops were unrealistict to say the least.

P51D had a great view and that's an advantage but what they really had over the Germans was numbers and long range.

nikimcbee · 08-01-11, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I cringe when I see the words "Inspired by a true story". That's worse than "based on a true story".

Why could they not make a movie on the actual history of the 332nd FG?

I guess history and the truth is not entertaining enough these days.

Dammit, you stole my thunder

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It's based on a true story, meaning it has WW2 equipment.

I was going to say, is this the prequel to "Hart's War?"

On a side note, kinda tired of the hollywood "race-baiting" flicks

CaptainMattJ. · 01-16-12, 01:36 PM

like we need another movie about the tuskegee airman, and especially not some flyboy-type hollywood spoof. They want to make a movie about the tuskegee airmen? How bout sticking to what happened, and leave the ridiculous stunts out of it.

My grandfather was 1 transfer away from being in the 8th. Thankfully he wasnt. He ended up being a flight engineer on C-47s the rest of the war. THe 8th lost so many men and aircraft, took so many hits. And yet i cant find a single movie about them. Thats hollywood for you

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Anthony W. · 08-01-11, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I know, I was waiting for the wings to come off...

You know, in instances, a tail slide like that was possible...

The uber 262 was BS tho

And you're awesome. I love finding other people who know that the P-51 wasn't some uber UFO.

Stealhead · 08-01-11, 11:06 PM

Most people who know something about military aviation would know that the P-51 was no uber UFO that really should not be so surprising to you unless you don't talk to many folks that are into the sames things you are.

Again though it is a movie and movies are supposed to entertain and excite people and those type maneuvers are more exciting to watch than a P-51 pulling a boom and zoom which lets be honest is a little boring accurate as it may be more fun in IL-2 but not everyone plays sims either and would not get the excitement I might get from having "pulled off" boom and zoom kills in IL-2 you want it to be fun to a lay person.From what they show it looks like they tried to balance the maneuvering it is not 100% accurate but not way over the top either.

You have to view things objectively Apocalypse Now is one of my favorite films ever but I also know that compared to factual Vietnam it is very unrealistic.

Now if I wanted to get really nit picky I could say "I wont watch this movie unless they fly according to real life physics,Fly the correct model P-40,Fly the P-51B/C in most of the movie and fly the P-51D only in the last half.Thing is if you are nit picky about everything you will end up enjoying nothing I am saying this in general not specifically to Anthony W.

And like I said before a movie like this will attract some people to find out the real story on the Tuskegee airmen,WWII aviation,WWII so on and so forth most people with half a brain know when they are seeing Hollywood for fun for excitement type things and when they are seeing something realistic.Movies are a temporary escape form reality from you troubles,fears.

Sailor Steve · 08-01-11, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony W.

You know, in instances, a tail slide like that was possible...

Not as dramatic as they made it look. That one shot made it look like it could outturn a biplane.

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I love finding other people who know that the P-51 wasn't some uber UFO.

Too bad you guys weren't here a couple of years ago. I went 'round and 'round with a guy who insisted that the Mustang was worlds better than anything else in the sky. I couldn't make him understand that the P-51's claim to fame was that it was the only single-engined fighter with the range to escort bombers from England to Berlin and back again. It was marginally faster than the late-model Bf.109s, and the turn radius was about the same. In return the 109G-10 and K models could outclimb the Mustang and rolled faster. The Germans were also limited to 85-octane fuel. If they could have gotten our 100-octane they may have been just as fast.

But we'll never know. I hate it when they make planes do things they shouldn't, but hey, it's got planes in it, so they'll get my money. Once. More will depend on how well they pull it off.

07-30-11, 10:58 AM	#3
Schöneboom Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 651 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Looks like a big-budget version of HBO's "The Tuskegee Airmen" (1995). Funny, Cuba Gooding Jr.'s in both versions (this time he's a major). The CGI aerial combat reminds me of Michael Bay's "Pearl Harbor". __________________ Dietrich Schöneboom, U-431 "Es wird klappen, Herr Kaleun. Ganz sicher."

07-30-11, 11:03 AM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,742 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Good use of CGI I thought...looking forward to seeing it __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

07-30-11, 11:16 AM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,384 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I cringe when I see the words "Inspired by a true story". That's worse than "based on a true story". Why could they not make a movie on the actual history of the 332nd FG? I guess history and the truth is not entertaining enough these days. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-30-11, 11:47 AM	#7
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,331 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Another possibly entertaining movie I'll never watch due to stupid CGI graphics that defy all reality for cheap thrills. This is the spawn of console gaming's action for action's sake and made for little boys to have wet dreams over. Star Wars has more integrity! __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

01-16-12, 01:36 PM	#12
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	like we need another movie about the tuskegee airman, and especially not some flyboy-type hollywood spoof. They want to make a movie about the tuskegee airmen? How bout sticking to what happened, and leave the ridiculous stunts out of it. My grandfather was 1 transfer away from being in the 8th. Thankfully he wasnt. He ended up being a flight engineer on C-47s the rest of the war. THe 8th lost so many men and aircraft, took so many hits. And yet i cant find a single movie about them. Thats hollywood for you . __________________ A popular Government without popular information nor the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives - James Madison

07-30-11, 07:52 AM	#1
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,054 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	The combat looked ridiculous. Not only the über 262's, but check the insta-turn the 51 does taking out the 262.

08-01-11, 11:06 PM	#14
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Most people who know something about military aviation would know that the P-51 was no uber UFO that really should not be so surprising to you unless you don't talk to many folks that are into the sames things you are. Again though it is a movie and movies are supposed to entertain and excite people and those type maneuvers are more exciting to watch than a P-51 pulling a boom and zoom which lets be honest is a little boring accurate as it may be more fun in IL-2 but not everyone plays sims either and would not get the excitement I might get from having "pulled off" boom and zoom kills in IL-2 you want it to be fun to a lay person.From what they show it looks like they tried to balance the maneuvering it is not 100% accurate but not way over the top either. You have to view things objectively Apocalypse Now is one of my favorite films ever but I also know that compared to factual Vietnam it is very unrealistic. Now if I wanted to get really nit picky I could say "I wont watch this movie unless they fly according to real life physics,Fly the correct model P-40,Fly the P-51B/C in most of the movie and fly the P-51D only in the last half.Thing is if you are nit picky about everything you will end up enjoying nothing I am saying this in general not specifically to Anthony W. And like I said before a movie like this will attract some people to find out the real story on the Tuskegee airmen,WWII aviation,WWII so on and so forth most people with half a brain know when they are seeing Hollywood for fun for excitement type things and when they are seeing something realistic.Movies are a temporary escape form reality from you troubles,fears. Last edited by Stealhead; 08-01-11 at 11:17 PM.