Turkey: Military chiefs resign en masse

Highbury · 07-29-11, 10:41 PM

Maybe Jimbuna should have said a border that was not an arctic passage for much of the year

TLAM Strike · 07-29-11, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Highbury

Maybe Jimbuna should have said a border that was not an arctic passage for much of the year

As opposed to a mountainous terrain that stopped the German Army in '43?

Stealhead · 07-29-11, 11:02 PM

Well Turkey was very valuable to NATO(truly the US) during the Cold War because it allowed us to fly all manner of ELINT and other types of near border penetration observation missions against the USSR .I know for sure of this my step father flew on many of these missions and other times he listened in on Soviet networks from bases in Turkey.

In modern times it is again a useful staging area to the US military.Also Turkey is part of ISAF so they are useful for that reason and also they share a border with Iran and Iraq.

They have their share of problems though like the PKK if I had a penny for every time all of Insurlick AB got locked down thanks to the PKK the many times I did TDYs there I'd rich.Also talking to Turkish soldiers and airmen that I knew on base they have lots of political problems and the officer corps seems weak the enlisted men seem pretty professional all things considered based on what I saw which was not a very large portion of the Turkish military.

Then there is the whole thing of they and Greece not seeing eye to eye well I guess they do see eye to eye but not very well.

TLAM Strike · 07-29-11, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

Well Turkey was very valuable to NATO(truly the US) during the Cold War because it allowed us to fly all manner of ELINT and other types of near border penetration observation missions against the USSR .I know for sure of this my step father flew on many of these missions and other times he listened in on Soviet networks from bases in Turkey.

Not to mention some submarine recon of the area where the Soviets had all their major shipyards courtesy of the Turkish Navy..

Stealhead · 07-29-11, 11:39 PM

True in deed I did not really think of the naval value.Also still very important they control the entrance to the Black Sea. From what I saw of Turkish citizens it seemed to me that most of them where much more concerned about daily life than anything else.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 07-30-11, 05:46 AM

I'm normally against military having say in politics, but in case of Turkey I would rather see military in charge than Mr. Erdogan.

Jimbuna · 07-30-11, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Highbury

Maybe Jimbuna should have said a border that was not an arctic passage for much of the year

I stand corrected I should have said largest in the eastern sector

TLAM Strike · 07-30-11, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I stand corrected I should have said largest in the eastern sector

If you consider the Caucasus Mountains the Eastern Sector of the USSR I don't think I want to know what you consider the Kamchatka Peninsula!

Jimbuna · 07-30-11, 11:10 AM

The NATO eastern sector

Gerald · 08-01-11, 07:15 AM

The government in Turkey will on Monday start appointing new commanders of the armed forces at a four-day annual military promotions meeting.

It will be the first time a civilian government decides who commands the various armed forces in Turkey.

It follows last week's resignations of the chief of the Turkish armed forces and army, navy and air force heads.

The officials were furious about the arrests of senior officers accused of plotting to undermine the government.
War of words

The military and the governing AK party have for the past two years been engaged in a war of words over allegations that parts of the military had been plotting a coup.

The BBC's correspondent in Turkey, Jonathan Head, says the contest between the armed forces and the party of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, which has its roots in political Islam, has now come to a head and Mr Erdogan has won.

He says Mr Erdogan and his ally, President Abdullah Gul, now insist they will have the final say over who commands the military.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14362538

Note: Update Record,1 August 2011 Last updated at 09:07 GMT

07-30-11, 05:46 AM	#6
kraznyi_oktjabr Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Republiken Finland Posts: 1,803 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I'm normally against military having say in politics, but in case of Turkey I would rather see military in charge than Mr. Erdogan. __________________ You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic. - Dr. House

07-30-11, 11:10 AM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,552 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The NATO eastern sector __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Turkey to appoint military chiefs The government in Turkey will on Monday start appointing new commanders of the armed forces at a four-day annual military promotions meeting. It will be the first time a civilian government decides who commands the various armed forces in Turkey. It follows last week's resignations of the chief of the Turkish armed forces and army, navy and air force heads. The officials were furious about the arrests of senior officers accused of plotting to undermine the government. War of words The military and the governing AK party have for the past two years been engaged in a war of words over allegations that parts of the military had been plotting a coup. The BBC's correspondent in Turkey, Jonathan Head, says the contest between the armed forces and the party of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, which has its roots in political Islam, has now come to a head and Mr Erdogan has won. He says Mr Erdogan and his ally, President Abdullah Gul, now insist they will have the final say over who commands the military. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14362538 Note: Update Record,1 August 2011 Last updated at 09:07 GMT __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

07-29-11, 10:41 PM	#1
Highbury The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: 51.557, -0.102 Posts: 1,311 Downloads: 177 Uploads: 0	Maybe Jimbuna should have said a border that was not an arctic passage for much of the year

07-29-11, 11:02 PM	#3
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Well Turkey was very valuable to NATO(truly the US) during the Cold War because it allowed us to fly all manner of ELINT and other types of near border penetration observation missions against the USSR .I know for sure of this my step father flew on many of these missions and other times he listened in on Soviet networks from bases in Turkey. In modern times it is again a useful staging area to the US military.Also Turkey is part of ISAF so they are useful for that reason and also they share a border with Iran and Iraq. They have their share of problems though like the PKK if I had a penny for every time all of Insurlick AB got locked down thanks to the PKK the many times I did TDYs there I'd rich.Also talking to Turkish soldiers and airmen that I knew on base they have lots of political problems and the officer corps seems weak the enlisted men seem pretty professional all things considered based on what I saw which was not a very large portion of the Turkish military. Then there is the whole thing of they and Greece not seeing eye to eye well I guess they do see eye to eye but not very well.

07-29-11, 11:39 PM	#5
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	True in deed I did not really think of the naval value.Also still very important they control the entrance to the Black Sea. From what I saw of Turkish citizens it seemed to me that most of them where much more concerned about daily life than anything else.