Is SH5 worth playing over SH3 yet?

[GT182]

Originally Posted by Zedi

I kindly ask the moderators to close these kind of topics and also stop this assault on SH5. There is a lot of SH6 fans who do a LOT of things to improve/fix the game, even if is made by Ubi. We dont deserve this kind of humiliations and trolling. Thanks.

Seemed like an honest question to me. But maybe your definition of troll is different than mine and some others. Close it, no way. Answer the guys questions in a civil manner. Would you like it if some one considered your honest questions trolling. I don't think so.

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

So download some mods and install them and give SH5 a spin. Only you can determine if it's good or not. Everyone's opinion is biased in some way or another.

Will do. But not at this very moment, I'm in a modding frenzy for my SH3. A relapse.

But now I have something to look forward to in winter time.

-pditty8811

Originally Posted by shegeek72

I agree. Try SH5 (it's damn cheap now) and see how it goes. There's quite a jump from 3 to 5, particularly in the graphics department. It's also a different game from 3 or 4. For me, it was like learning SH all over again - none of the familiar controls were there and the kb controls are different. Mods help with getting a familiar interface and in other areas. SH5 was worth the learning curve.

Thanks for the heads up.

-pditty8811

Originally Posted by Zedi

I wonder why Steve had to feed the troll. A successful troll is a successful troll and I respect them. Until post 3-5 everything was ok, but the argument clinic is really that attractive? How about me going on the SH3 forum and asking stupid question like this? Im sure that I will get banned instantly because of trolling. Same as I was once because bashing a SH3 fan :/

I kindly ask the moderators to close these kind of topics and also stop this assault on SH5. There is a lot of SH6 fans who do a LOT of things to improve/fix the game, even if is made by Ubi. We dont deserve this kind of humiliations and trolling. Thanks.

You have a mouth on you, boy.

Originally Posted by GT182

Seemed like an honest question to me. But maybe your definition of troll is different than mine and some others. Close it, no way. Answer the guys questions in a civil manner. Would you like it if some one considered your honest questions trolling. I don't think so.

Thank you, and I certainly am not trolling. Nor do I have any respect for people who throw that word around.

I'm also quite disappointed as no one has tried to answer my questions. They seem to be straight-forward questions regarding yes or no answers.

I'm very curious about these questions, and once I do get back into SH5 it wont be for a couple months. So I'm asking till then.

-pditty8811

[BigBANGtheory]

Originally Posted by pditty8811

I'm also quite disappointed as no one has tried to answer my questions.

Allow me to answer your first question is 'SH5 worth playing over SH3* yet?'

Absolutely.

*SH3 incl. upto 5yrs of mods as opposed to 1yr for SH5.

I think what you have to remember is SH5 is not SH3 with a 2010 graphics uplift so you can't compare gameplay apples for apples.

What you should do is get yourself modded up, go through all the in game tutorials then invest a good 10hrs of gameplay to see if it grabs you.

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by pditty8811

I'm also quite disappointed as no one has tried to answer my questions. They seem to be straight-forward questions regarding yes or no answers.

1. no
2. yes
3. yes
4. no - unless you mod it
5. no, yes, yes

Originally Posted by Trevally.

1. no
2. yes
3. yes
4. no - unless you mod it
5. no, yes, yes

Thank you for your response. I was waiting for such.

As pertaining to the first question. What uboats types can I use in SH5?

-pditty8811

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Zedi

I wonder why Steve had to feed the troll.

Because he's been posting honestly and well in other forums, so I thought I'd give him a chance. If I was right then I've done the forums a favor. If I was wrong then I look like a fool. It won't be the first time.

How about me going on the SH3 forum and asking stupid question like this? Im sure that I will get banned instantly because of trolling.

In case you've forgotten, you did that once. You weren't banned, or even warned, just admonished. As I've done to everyone I've seen doing that sort of thing.

I kindly ask the moderators to close these kind of topics and also stop this assault on SH5. There is a lot of SH6 fans who do a LOT of things to improve/fix the game, even if is made by Ubi. We dont deserve this kind of humiliations and trolling. Thanks.

I thought my reply to pditty8811 was fair enough. His questions may be honest, as he says, but his wording certainly wasn't the best. That said, if he really is looking for answers, he deserves them. If he really is looking for trouble he'll be found out and punished. For the time being I like to hope for the best. The only reason I haven't given any answers is that I still don't have SH5, so any comparison I did would likely be biased. That said, I think I've read enough of SH5 to be honest about it.

Just to a few simple searches and you can spot the TROLL.
Most of the times?
It starts with a Z


Infact that Z troll has killed any hopes of any really good stuff ever
being released.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by pditty8811

You have a mouth on you, boy.

Temper. People have been spanked for less.

Now to your questions. The reason I say it could have been worded better is because each one reads like you already new the answers, and knew that in some respects SH3 is still better. So you can see where the "trolling" accusations come from.

But, in the interest of honest relations I'll do my best to answer them. No, I haven't played the game, but there is more information here than there is on most events from ancient history and I quote those all the time, so I'll take the chance.

1. What uboats can I use in SH5? I can use Type IIA, IIB, IID, VIIB, VIIC, IXB, IXC, IXD/IXD2, and XXI in SH3.

Only the Type VII, but you get the VIIA, VIIB, VIIC and, I think VIIC41. The reason is that they pushed the boundaries and gave the player the ability to walk through the entire boat. I didn't want this feature, but then I was against SH3's 3D crew, and I've reached the point where I can't live without them, so I'll probably grow to like this when the time comes.

But no, there is no Type II, Type IX or Type XXI, the first of which I consider a huge negative.

2. Can I start the war in Aug or Sept. 1939 and continue to May 5th 1945 unimpeded? I can in SH3.

September 1939 yes, August no. The stock game ends in 1943, but several talented people, including Zedi, are working their tails off to make 1945 a reality. Because of the way I play I wish we could start in 1944 or '45, but that's probably not far off either.

3. Can I go anywhere in the world that has the ocean? I can in SH3.

Answered by Trevally. I would like to add that you can't really go into the Pacific in SH3, though you can in SH4.

4. Do I have options which flotilla I'm with and what base I leave out of? I can with SH3 and more options when its modded.

Even SH3 is limited in that regard. There are only so many flotillas available, and adding a new one means dropping an old one.

5. Can I pick my crew before patrols, give medals, and upgrade my boat? I can with SH3 modded with SH3 Commander.

Not really a fair question, since SH3 Commander is a special program constructed by a very talented programmer. SH4 and SH5 could both have the same functions if some equally talented programmer chose to do the same for them. That no one has is not a reflection on either game.

Now for my opinion, which, though possibly biased is probably not far off from what it would be had I been playing the game from the start.

SH5 is still a work in progress, as is SH4. SH3 is still being developed, but all the new work is trying to catch up to where SH5 is already.

The Good: SH5 is graphically the most intense and most beautiful of all the SH series, and in that respect the most immersive.

The Bad: As has been pointed out many times elsewhere, great graphics don't really make up for mediocre gameplay. Stock SH5 suffers from problems, but so did SH4 and SH3. Further, if the people who say that really truly believed it they'd be going out of their way to find copies of Aces Of The Deep, because for sheer variety in every respect that one still hasn't been topped. That said, I played AOTD a few times last month, and while it is incredibly immersive in the way it feels, I have to admit that the way it looks is a big part of the feel to me, and it just doesn't cut it anymore.

The Good: SH5 has better crew interaction and walking through the whole boat.

The Bad: The interaction is extremely limited and the boat is not drawn in detail, and there are very few crewmembers aboard. Of course every detail and every crewman you add increase the load on the computer. Also, they have done away with all the crewmembers having names in favor of more detail for the few they do have. And while you can talk to a few of them, the conversation is very limited. Bear in mind that these things are being worked on.

Things I Look Forward To: SH5 is almost certainly the future. Problems are being solved and defects corrected almost daily. It has the most potential of any of them, and if playing a subsim and sinking ships is your goal then it is the best.

Things I'm Still Unhappy About: I can't play in my lovely little Type II. I like the way SH4 handles crew management. Neither SH3 nor SH5 meets that standard. On the other hand SH4 has a couple of its own little quirks which can be quite annoying.

My Biggest Peeve: The u-boat pens. SH3 had the harbors all screwed up, though mods have corrected much of that (of course I don't have the computer to run some of them). SH4 has the exact same flaws, and no one yet adapted the SH3 modded harbors for SH4. SH5 seems to have much more accurate harbors from the start, and there is a mod which adds so much more it's beautiful and scary at the same time. But SH5, in an effort to make it more 'immersive' has you start from the sub pen. This is a problem for me because Kiel didn't get pens until very late in the war (after the stock game ends, in fact) and Wilhelmshaven never had sub pens at all. This annoys me more than anything, and in spite of all the endorsements for the game from those who play it regularly makes me grind my teeth every time I see someone post pictures of those harbors.

But a great many love it and their opinion is as valid for them as anyone else's is for them. I'll probably end up playing all three, just because they all have things I love and they all have things I hate. And yes, I'll still play AOTD and SH1 from time to time. For me there seems to be no winning.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Temper. People have been spanked for less.

Now to your questions. The reason I say it could have been worded better is because each one reads like you already new the answers, and knew that in some respects SH3 is still better. So you can see where the "trolling" accusations come from.

But, in the interest of honest relations I'll do my best to answer them. No, I haven't played the game, but there is more information here than there is on most events from ancient history and I quote those all the time, so I'll take the chance.


Only the Type VII, but you get the VIIA, VIIB, VIIC and, I think VIIC41. The reason is that they pushed the boundaries and gave the player the ability to walk through the entire boat. I didn't want this feature, but then I was against SH3's 3D crew, and I've reached the point where I can't live without them, so I'll probably grow to like this when the time comes.

But no, there is no Type II, Type IX or Type XXI, the first of which I consider a huge negative.


September 1939 yes, August no. The stock game ends in 1943, but several talented people, including Zedi, are working their tails off to make 1945 a reality. Because of the way I play I wish we could start in 1944 or '45, but that's probably not far off either.


Answered by Trevally. I would like to add that you can't really go into the Pacific in SH3, though you can in SH4.


Even SH3 is limited in that regard. There are only so many flotillas available, and adding a new one means dropping an old one.


Not really a fair question, since SH3 Commander is a special program constructed by a very talented programmer. SH4 and SH5 could both have the same functions if some equally talented programmer chose to do the same for them. That no one has is not a reflection on either game.

Now for my opinion, which, though possibly biased is probably not far off from what it would be had I been playing the game from the start.

SH5 is still a work in progress, as is SH4. SH3 is still being developed, but all the new work is trying to catch up to where SH5 is already.

The Good: SH5 is graphically the most intense and most beautiful of all the SH series, and in that respect the most immersive.

The Bad: As has been pointed out many times elsewhere, great graphics don't really make up for mediocre gameplay. Stock SH5 suffers from problems, but so did SH4 and SH3. Further, if the people who say that really truly believed it they'd be going out of their way to find copies of Aces Of The Deep, because for sheer variety in every respect that one still hasn't been topped. That said, I played AOTD a few times last month, and while it is incredibly immersive in the way it feels, I have to admit that the way it looks is a big part of the feel to me, and it just doesn't cut it anymore.

The Good: SH5 has better crew interaction and walking through the whole boat.

The Bad: The interaction is extremely limited and the boat is not drawn in detail, and there are very few crewmembers aboard. Of course every detail and every crewman you add increase the load on the computer. Also, they have done away with all the crewmembers having names in favor of more detail for the few they do have. And while you can talk to a few of them, the conversation is very limited. Bear in mind that these things are being worked on.

Things I Look Forward To: SH5 is almost certainly the future. Problems are being solved and defects corrected almost daily. It has the most potential of any of them, and if playing a subsim and sinking ships is your goal then it is the best.

Things I'm Still Unhappy About: I can't play in my lovely little Type II. I like the way SH4 handles crew management. Neither SH3 nor SH5 meets that standard. On the other hand SH4 has a couple of its own little quirks which can be quite annoying.

My Biggest Peeve: The u-boat pens. SH3 had the harbors all screwed up, though mods have corrected much of that (of course I don't have the computer to run some of them). SH4 has the exact same flaws, and no one yet adapted the SH3 modded harbors for SH4. SH5 seems to have much more accurate harbors from the start, and there is a mod which adds so much more it's beautiful and scary at the same time. But SH5, in an effort to make it more 'immersive' has you start from the sub pen. This is a problem for me because Kiel didn't get pens until very late in the war (after the stock game ends, in fact) and Wilhelmshaven never had sub pens at all. This annoys me more than anything, and in spite of all the endorsements for the game from those who play it regularly makes me grind my teeth every time I see someone post pictures of those harbors.

But a great many love it and their opinion is as valid for them as anyone else's is for them. I'll probably end up playing all three, just because they all have things I love and they all have things I hate. And yes, I'll still play AOTD and SH1 from time to time. For me there seems to be no winning.

Well thank you very kindly for the most informed answer. So it seems "the Workhorse" is the only boat for play in SH5 thus far.

The modders are hard at work trying to improve the game, which I always appreciate their hard work. But with all the work necessary to bring SH5 to where we would all like it, may make someone wonder if it would be more economical in or efforts to wait for a SH6 instead?

I believe the modders can change SH5 to be even as boundless as SH3 but this will take time. By which a sequal would be out by then?

The modders need a good foundation to build their building. But if the foundation isn't up to par, wouldn't efforts be more valuable elsewhere?
-pditty8811

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by pditty8811

Well thank you very kindly for the most informed answer. So it seems "the Workhorse" is the only boat for play in SH5 thus far.

The modders are hard at work trying to improve the game, which I always appreciate their hard work. But with all the work necessary to bring SH5 to where we would all like it, may make someone wonder if it would be more economical in or efforts to wait for a SH6 instead?

The odds of there being an SH6 are somewhere between slim and none. There is a better chance of some other company making a completely new sub sim, but UBIsoft doing another one? Not much. Even if they did, it would probably be even worse out of the box.

I believe the modders can change SH5 to be even as boundless as SH3 but this will take time. By which a sequal would be out by then?

As above. There almost certainly will be no sequel.

The modders need a good foundation to build their building. But if the foundation isn't up to par, wouldn't efforts be more valuable elsewhere?

Not really. Where would they put their efforts? Current SH3 mods are geared toward making SH3 more like SH5, which begs the question: Why make something work like something else when the something else already exists. SH4 already looks and works better than SH3, and all it needs are the 'fluff' mods - the harbors and all the different ships, and its campaign system is much better, but nobody seems interested. SH5 looks better still. It has its own quirks, but getting around those seems to be a matter of time. And again, very few seem interested.

I'll keep playing SH3 until the previously mentioned problems with the others are solved. That said, the SH5 guys have a valid point: Why keep trying to make the past look as shiny as the future when the future is already here?

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The odds of there being an SH6 are somewhere between slim and none. There is a better chance of some other company making a completely new sub sim, but UBIsoft doing another one? Not much. Even if they did, it would probably be even worse out of the box.


As above. There almost certainly will be no sequel.


Not really. Where would they put their efforts? Current SH3 mods are geared toward making SH3 more like SH5, which begs the question: Why make something work like something else when the something else already exists. SH4 already looks and works better than SH3, and all it needs are the 'fluff' mods - the harbors and all the different ships, and its campaign system is much better, but nobody seems interested. SH5 looks better still. It has its own quirks, but getting around those seems to be a matter of time. And again, very few seem interested.

I'll keep playing SH3 until the previously mentioned problems with the others are solved. That said, the SH5 guys have a valid point: Why keep trying to make the past look as shiny as the future when the future is already here?

I would have been on the SH5 bandwagon had the game had more scope and diversity out of the box. But now were asking the modding community to create interiors walking up and down subs of Type II's IX's and XXI's. To basically create what SH5 has done with the Type VII three times over with the other subs.

This will take alot of modeling and graphic working by the modders. Time consuming, and by the time it is all done it will be a completely different game. Perhaps even a different genre than it was out of the box.

[flag4]

Originally Posted by 0rpheus

I've come from SH4 and although the initial amount of modding is a bit of a nightmare, I'd say it's well worth it when it comes together. Dynamic Environment, KZS's new hull-wetness mod, MO and the new OHII Light campaign have really turned the stock SH5 into something brilliant. With TDW's UI mod you can recreate your SH3 appearance, if you wish.

Not being tied to objectives, just cruising around these beautiful oceans is well worth the time spent modding imo. Take the plunge, expect a cold shock but keep on diving

Here's a couple of snaps taken just now:

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/56...10EC8F2ABC941/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/56...1E3C53D2AF63D/

Hehe, and one extra - this was the British Merchant 'Last Plausible Objection'
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/56...BF33A41A9648D/

great photos Orpheus.

seeing the water and boat makes my son drool!!

one day i will get SH5, maybe just for the eye candy or to make my son happy. cant live in the past forever, but SH3 is not past - not just yet anyway