The Israeli Chamber Orchestra will break with tradition to play a work by Hitler's fa

Stealth Hunter · 07-25-11, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

Yes, and so he used a maximum of Wagner, the music is quite heavy and dramatic ... and do not belong to my favorites.

The reason why Wagner's so dramatic and heavy is because of the themes he was dealing with in his music. Old Nordic and European legends and epic tales, etc. It's supposed to be dramatic. Equally this applies to his operas. Operas are supposed to be dramatic works of art.

Back on topic, the only thing Hitler's admiration of Wagner proves is that, despite his infamy as the leader of Nazi-Germany, he had great taste in music.

Skybird · 07-26-11, 04:06 AM

With Wagner it is like with Shakespeare for me. There are the pieces that are beautiful and fragile and wonderful like there are the quotes you use to give and remember. But then there is the rest, the burden of heavy-heavy "heaviness" and somewhat bombastic shelling by sound and word that makes me wish like Frau Kaleun: "When does it end?" Yes, both men were great names in their field of arts. But I like only a few pieces, fragments, of their works. But these are enough to make me respect them as said great names.

However, in Germany there will be discussions again as if the decision by the Israeli chamber orchestra needs any sanctionising or patronising by German "experts" on all kinds of matters.

Regarding Nordic epic tales and German sagas, I like them, I have read them often when being a boy and teen, and I still know them. Very... Klingon

Gerald · 07-26-11, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

The reason why Wagner's so dramatic and heavy is because of the themes he was dealing with in his music. Old Nordic and European legends and epic tales, etc. It's supposed to be dramatic. Equally this applies to his operas. Operas are supposed to be dramatic works of art.

Back on topic, the only thing Hitler's admiration of Wagner proves is that, despite his infamy as the leader of Nazi-Germany, he had great taste in music.

True, he used music as a tool for his fantasies.

07-26-11, 04:06 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,650 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	With Wagner it is like with Shakespeare for me. There are the pieces that are beautiful and fragile and wonderful like there are the quotes you use to give and remember. But then there is the rest, the burden of heavy-heavy "heaviness" and somewhat bombastic shelling by sound and word that makes me wish like Frau Kaleun: "When does it end?" Yes, both men were great names in their field of arts. But I like only a few pieces, fragments, of their works. But these are enough to make me respect them as said great names. However, in Germany there will be discussions again as if the decision by the Israeli chamber orchestra needs any sanctionising or patronising by German "experts" on all kinds of matters. Regarding Nordic epic tales and German sagas, I like them, I have read them often when being a boy and teen, and I still know them. Very... Klingon __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.