Amy Winehouse dead

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[Skybird]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Bad manners gents considering this is a predominantly English language forum

"You Brits cannot really appreciate Shakespeare as long as you haven't read him in German original! "

[Winston]

Skybird, I liked the music she made. I was a fan of hers and with all due respect would ask you to tone it down a bit. This young woman is dead, right now her family is in morning and I personally beleve that all decent people should at least offer up modicum of respect to those who are still alive. You accuse people of hypocriticy and crying crocodile tears but you are very wrong in this. I'm not sure what elce I can say.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

"You Brits cannot really appreciate Shakespeare as long as you haven't read him in German original! "

All I know is I put it through my translator and it didn't decipher the text in much that I could understand but without jumping to conclusions I did read a few words which had me wondering about the full contextual meaning.

I am simply asking that we show a modicum of respect for the loss of a life...love her or hate her it is the only decent thing to do IMHO because she was a human being.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

All I know is I put it through my translator and it didn't decipher the text in much that I could understand but without jumping to conclusions I did read a few words which had me wondering about the full contextual meaning.

I am simply asking that we show a modicum of respect for the loss of a life...love her or hate her it is the only decent thing to do IMHO because she was a human being.

It is not respectful to many other artists who died or still live to hail and lift AW onto such a high podest and labelling her a monument of cultural life. I don'T feel like disturbing a funeral mood here. Just complaining about how somebody who was by far neither a saint nor an idol for the younger people to follow - nevertheless gets turned into right these. I neither loved or hated her, since I did not know her and simply do not care for this single death any more than for any other foreign person's death I never came into contact with. But it is hilarious to declare somebody a monument of cultural life, just because the person died, and in her case it degrades many others who simply achieved more, lived with more dignity and respectability, or stayed unknown, but neverthless had more talent and skill than AW. You guys establish false idols here - this is what makes me angry, it'S not about just some sound that you call music and I call noise, since it happens so often in our sick rotten cultural scene that the mediocre or bad ones get celebrated and glorified, and the better ones are kept down because they have no media lobby to hype them. Not even mentioning the private lives of public people. Newspaper headlines on her everywhere, and how big a loss, and how tragic her life and what a gap she leaves in music. Absurd!

And dear mods, if you choose for this way like above, then go all the way - delete the rest of that earlier post too. The half-finished business you left behind helps neither you nor me nor anybody, just make those able to understand German wondering what that fragment should be.

We make to loud a tamtam about too small a human, if it fits the purpose to fill the headlines, but we ignore and remain silent about to many others who deserved our attention or respect much more. This is what it is about.

P.S. V.C. Viper put it best in this whole thread: "if the death of stephen hawking (hope will never happen) creates less buzz than this, i will lose hope in humanity."

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It is not respectful to many other artists who died or still live to hail and lift AW onto such a high podest and labelling her a monument of cultural life. I don'T feel like disturbing a funeral mood here. Just complaining about how somebody who was by far neither a saint nor an idol for the younger people to follow - nevertheless gets turned into right these. I neither loved or hated her, since I did not know her and simply do not care for this single death any more than for any other foreign person's death I never came into contact with. But it is hilarious to declare somebody a monument of cultural life, just because the person died, and in her case it degrades many others who simply achieved more, lived with more dignity and respectability, or stayed unknown, but neverthless had more talent and skill than AW. You guys establish false idols here - this is what makes me angry, it'S not about just some sound that you call music and I call noise, since it happens so often in our sick rotten cultural scene that the mediocre or bad ones get celebrated and glorified, and the better ones are kept down because they have no media lobby to hype them. Not even mentioning the private lives of public people. Newspaper headlines on her everywhere, and how big a loss, and how tragic her life and what a gap she leaves in music. Absurd!

And dear mods, if you choose for this way like above, then go all the way - delete the rest of that earlier post too. The half-finished business you left behind helps neither you nor me nor anybody, just make those able to understand German wondering what that fragment should be.

We make to loud a tamtam about too small a human, if it fits the purpose to fill the headlines, but we ignore and remain silent about to many others who deserved our attention or respect much more. This is what it is about.

P.S. V.C. Viper put it best in this whole thread: "if the death of stephen hawking (hope will never happen) creates less buzz than this, i will lose hope in humanity."

Just because you don't find it worthy to mourn someone's passing doesn't mean you have to come into a thread about it and slag off on people who do. You're being extremely rude.

[danasan]

I like the idea of the ignore - list. But sadly - if all these walls of text are quoted...

[evan82]

She died from "happiness".

[jumpy]

Originally Posted by Skybird

We make to loud a tamtam about too small a human, if it fits the purpose to fill the headlines, but we ignore and remain silent about to many others who deserved our attention or respect much more. This is what it is about.

Yer, I can see where you're coming from, but the way you have reinforced your point might have been better served had it been addressed to something more appropriate*.
Like the phone hacking/news of the world/murdoch scandal and the attention it has received in the media and politics, which is entirely disproportional when there's lots of more serious and life changing events happening world wide, famine, war, natural disaster... that kind of stuff.

You'd certainly have had more support (and for the same reasons as you intended to express here) from those taking a more respectful stance to someone's untimely death.

You could have shown a little more tact and chosen a better subject to make your point and with a more positive outcome, is all I'm saying.

* where you might have been less likely to encroach on the 'sounding disrespectful/insensitive' territory.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And dear mods, if you choose for this way like above, then go all the way - delete the rest of that earlier post too. The half-finished business you left behind helps neither you nor me nor anybody, just make those able to understand German wondering what that fragment should be.

'WE MODS' (to use your terminology) will have no other option than to act in accordance with the SubSim rules the moment it is decided that the comments in this thread are deemed contrary to what is contained within said SubSim rules or expected and classed as acceptable behaviour of the SubSim Community.

I sincerely hope that in the meantime I can count on your understanding of what is classed as acceptable decorum on this forum.

This community deserves nothing less.

Any further exchanges I would hope can be served via PM....(copying Neal in of course).

With Respect
Jimbuna

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Wenn so ein Traaraa um so eine angetüterte Pappnase veranstaltet wird, und eine selbstzerstörerische Möchtegerngroß ohne Anstand und Ehrgefühl aber vollem Hang zum Volldrogenkonsum sogar als eine führende Kulturikone unserer Zeit bezeichnet wird, derweil wirklich hochwertige Kunst - auch im Sinne von "Können" - im Supermarkt zu Ramschpreisen verscherbelt und damit kaputt gemacht wird und Menschen, die wirklich etwas Respektables leisten und bewunderswerte Fähigkeiten haben, klein gehalten werden oder ignoriert werden, dann macht mich das einfach stinkig. Außerdem zeigt es, wie kaputt unsere sogenannte "Kulturlandschaft" eigentlich ist.


In Berlin gibt/gab es ein sogenanntes "Kulturzentrum", ein völlig zugeschmiertes Hausbesetzerprojekt, sozial runtergewirtschaftet, verdreckt und zugemüllt, das als großes Kulturzentrum und Gemäldegallerie bezeichnet wurde und linken Senat auch noch bezuschußt wurde. dabei sah das Haus aus wie eine eine Müllhalde, und wurde von Asozialen bewohnt, die nach Kräften gegen das soziale System lästerten, von dessen Zuwendungfen sie sich nichtsdestotrotz nährten, weil richtig zu Arbeiten etwas war, wofür sich die Farbeutelwerfer, verzeihung: die Künstler, zu%

Juu ja miä puhu savvoo mut elekee ny isoot immeiset julukisella paekalla kehakko.

[Magic1111]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Keine Tränen, nur ein bißchen Respekt, das ist alles.

2nd this !!!

Best regards,
Magic

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by jumpy

Yer, I can see where you're coming from, but the way you have reinforced your point might have been better served had it been addressed to something more appropriate*.
Like the phone hacking/news of the world/murdoch scandal and the attention it has received in the media and politics, which is entirely disproportional when there's lots of more serious and life changing events happening world wide, famine, war, natural disaster... that kind of stuff.

You'd certainly have had more support (and for the same reasons as you intended to express here) from those taking a more respectful stance to someone's untimely death.

You could have shown a little more tact and chosen a better subject to make your point and with a more positive outcome, is all I'm saying.

* where you might have been less likely to encroach on the 'sounding disrespectful/insensitive' territory.

Agreed.

Sky, you have to remember, someone who is inconsequential to you may be a big deal to someone else. When they die and a thread is posted to remember them, it's best not to start devalueing them in that thread (as long as they are normal people and not a KKK Grand Dragon, Saddam Hussein, or Pol Pot type evil). When and if Stephen Hawking dies (whoever that is), I promise the same rules will apply.

Now, let's allow those folks who are interested in this celeb to have their discussion, mate.

[kiwi_2005]

RIP Amy Winehouse - Loved your song Rehab.