Amy Winehouse dead

[Rockstar]

"Everyone involved with Amy is shocked and devasted."

liars


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[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by joegrundman

there is criticism, and there is needless contempt and faux tough-boy hardassery. all disguised in this thing you mistake for a sense of humour.

There is mistaken humor (of which I too have been accused recently) and there is "needless contempt and faux tough-boy hardassery". I think you're letting your bias control you. AK may be right and he may be wrong, but I don't think his comment was anything like what you described.

[Feuer Frei!]

It's a shame that some people make fun of people that have passed on.
Making jokes or disparaging remarks about that person is really sad and in bad taste.
Who gives a crap about the musical ability of this person, when, in actual fact, she is dead?
A person has died and we make fun of it, in our own little way.
I am sorry but that is disgusting to me.
I am saddened by her death, and indeed by any death. No matter what reasons or abilities, or lack of that she may have had.
May she rest in peace and let us hope that other people can learn from her trobled life that others don't needlessly follow in the same footpath and we spare 1 more life.

[Skybird]

To make that one sure, I commented on that part of her life that she made public all by herself and by which she disgraced herself. Public is public, and if somebody acts with so much lack of grace and honour, this does not all get deleted just because that person dies. Dying is no merit, nor an achievement. Her role was hyped and spiked in the media, and I reserve the right to question the wisdom of giving people such questionable biographies as idols, or presenting performances like hers as standards by which to define arts or artistic quality. Doing so does damage in the world of the still living - by adding deformation to said arts.

Today dozens and hundreds of people have died in Somalia again due to religious fanatism, drought, and starvation. That puts the meaning of a croaking Amy Whitehouse for the world of music into relation, I would say. But the headlines over her and the headlines over today's events in Somalia do not show that relation.

[Feuer Frei!]

Indeed Skybird, i am not naming names however what use is it to repeat the media's reports on someone's trobled life in a time like this?
I do not see the sense in this, it is surely better to pay respects to someone, for our common decency and morality demands it, surely.
I will add that Amy had a troubled life, yes. She may have brought a lot of it on herself, but does this really matter now? Is this the time now to bisect and disect her life and how she is to blame for her plight, and ultimately, her death?
I think not. I think it is time to pay our respects to a troubled person, who did not deserve to fade from life. What she did deserve was the proper support mechanisms which all to often people do not have, and that will invariably lead to the path of death.
It saddens me that people do not have that support, for if they did, they surely would be still alive. Or increase their chances of surviuval.
Everyone deserves to live, no matter how troubled, no matter how much of a burden they bring upon themselves, and it hard for me to pass judgment on a person that has fallen, that did not have the means or the support to fight the troubles in her life.
Now, we can also assume, on the other side of the coin, did she really want help? Did she want to party and abuse substances like it was going out of fashion? More than likely.
But that once again shows that she had the wrong people that she surrounded herself with.
This makes the battle of recovery even harder, nigh impossible.
Yes, we all have a choice, yes we can chose a life of debauchery, of substance abuse and alcohol abuse. But we cannot always chose our support.
Support, the right support comes in many shapes and forms, and perhaps she did not want support, pushing it away. Or, worse even, she was never offered support.
This is a young life, that was wasted away.
Regardless of the reasons behind this, we should strive to offer our condolences and our wishes that any life out there that is going through these troubled times that Amy did, find support and the strength and will to beat it and continue to live. Because life is beautiful.
Skybird, Ich bin nicht böse mit Dir, und meinte eigentlich garnicht Dich.
Es sind ein paar andere Kommentare hier die wo sehr lausig sind. Wollte aber keine Nahmen nennen.

[TLAM Strike]

'They tried to make me go to rehab, I said No No No'

Then the coroner pronounced her: dead, dead, dead...

[Capt. Morgan]

I am surprised to see that some people seem to consider mental illness to be a choice or a lifestyle. Anybody who has ever had a loved one fall to it will tell you that it is no more of a choice than cancer.

I was hoping that she would make it, and greatly saddened to learn today that she didn't.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Capt. Morgan

I am surprised to see that some people seem to consider mental illness to be a choice or a lifestyle. Anybody who has ever had a loved one fall to it will tell you that it is no more of a choice than cancer.

I'm not sure who made those claims.
Re-reading the article at a brief glance it seems a drug overdose seems to have been the cause of death.
Mental illness may certainly have been a factor in her life.
I don't know for sure.
If you are referring to my posts, then it may appear that, when i am referring to choices, i am referring in actual fact to the choices one makes when drugs or alcohol are involved.
Mental illness is not to be taken lightly and i agree that it is often pushed to the side and drug abuse or alcohol abuse seems to take precedence.
Either way, her troubles are nothing new in the world. Her decline is nothing new. Her apparent lack of support is nothing new.
What is always mis-interpreted though is the actual facts of a case like this.
We only know what the media tells us, unless we are on the inside, and have first-hand knowledge of her circumstances.
However, one must remember that even though the media tells us that "she had rejected all help" does not mean that the offer of support was adequate, or even sufficient. What i mean by that is that one can offer support to a person and that person declines and we nod our heads and go "ah well, she doesn't need our help, we will let her be", or one can attempt different ways to increase or offer a support base, which is both appropriate and in a way that exhausts every possible avenue of rehab.
Once again, we are shy of the facts.
But to ridicule and to degrade someone's character, in light of the outcome, which is the death of a young woman, then that is not appropriate. Regardless of what those media hounds report.
It is easy to lose sight of the picture. It is easy to judge, it is easy to jump to conclusions. It seems to not be easy to show some sort of compassion to a fellow human being.

[jumpy]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

I'm not sure who made those claims.
Re-reading the article at a brief glance it seems a drug overdose seems to have been the cause of death.
Mental illness may certainly have been a factor in her life.
I don't know for sure.
If you are referring to my posts, then it may appear that, when i am referring to choices, i am referring in actual fact to the choices one makes when drugs or alcohol are involved.
Mental illness is not to be taken lightly and i agree that it is often pushed to the side and drug abuse or alcohol abuse seems to take precedence.
Either way, her troubles are nothing new in the world. Her decline is nothing new. Her apparent lack of support is nothing new.
What is always mis-interpreted though is the actual facts of a case like this.
We only know what the media tells us, unless we are on the inside, and have first-hand knowledge of her circumstances.
However, one must remember that even though the media tells us that "she had rejected all help" does not mean that the offer of support was adequate, or even sufficient. What i mean by that is that one can offer support to a person and that person declines and we nod our heads and go "ah well, she doesn't need our help, we will let her be", or one can attempt different ways to increase or offer a support base, which is both appropriate and in a way that exhausts every possible avenue of rehab.
Once again, we are shy of the facts.
But to ridicule and to degrade someone's character, in light of the outcome, which is the death of a young woman, then that is not appropriate. Regardless of what those media hounds report.
It is easy to lose sight of the picture. It is easy to judge, it is easy to jump to conclusions. It seems to not be easy to show some sort of compassion to a fellow human being.

It's my experience that drug and alcohol use/addiction (I say use and addiction separately for a reason) are just one symptom of something more serious; if you will, they are a crutch used to support the weight of a greater, underlying problem. What starts in all innocence, rapidly takes on a life of its own.

As far as helping those people who suffer psychological problems... well, quite simply, some people don't want to be helped. Not even with all the money and time and compassion in the world. That's part of what makes them mad.

Pity though, seeing her when she was first on 'later with jools holland' and watching what she became more recently. Not a pretty sight - and one reason why I tuned her career commentary out, because what has happened is of no real surprise.
However, generally it does no good speaking ill of the dead, whoever they may have been in life.

[Castout]

Perhaps 27 is the age of the crossroad in life.

The age when you choose whether to live as a decent person with conscience or the opposite without any moral attachment, making peace with the devil, your own and outside.

Those who died probably couldn't decide. Sure they had a messy life but if you are without any moral attachment there's no messy which is too messy I'd think.

The bad thing is those who died are probably the better people than some of those who completely lost their humanity.

Of course the majority of us are probably right in the middle, never being strictly attached to our conscience but also never losing our humanity completely. The latter being the reason why most person continues. I sincerely believe no normal person can continue living without any good in him/her unless the person of course is not normal.

But meh that's just my 2 cents.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by jumpy

However, generally it does no good speaking ill of the dead, whoever they may have been in life.

I agree with all you posted, and the quote underlines the point i have tried to make all along.
Pretty primitive really, making fun of other people's misfortune.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

I agree with all you posted, and the quote underlines the point i have tried to make all along.
Pretty primitive really, making fun of other people's misfortune.

Consideration could be given to allowing this page to sink back a few increments through lack of input...it appears those for and against the individual and the details surrounding the tragedy have had their say

Just a thought.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by jumpy

It's my experience that drug and alcohol use/addiction (I say use and addiction separately for a reason) are just one symptom of something more serious; if you will, they are a crutch used to support the weight of a greater, underlying problem. What starts in all innocence, rapidly takes on a life of its own.

As far as helping those people who suffer psychological problems... well, quite simply, some people don't want to be helped. Not even with all the money and time and compassion in the world. That's part of what makes them mad.

Pity though, seeing her when she was first on 'later with jools holland' and watching what she became more recently. Not a pretty sight - and one reason why I tuned her career commentary out, because what has happened is of no real surprise.
However, generally it does no good speaking ill of the dead, whoever they may have been in life.

It also does no damage to the dead to speak realistical (or bad) of them. And if it is the living you are worried about, then these people surviving AW must ask themselves why they did not give better support and cared better for her while she was still alive.

And all this does not touch upon the question at all whether her accoustic contribution to the world of music was valuable or not. I say she has been massively overestimated, and I say we have a problem with our sick media and our sick mass "art" consummation enobling standards that simply do nót deserve that, but get cleverly marketed and sold to make the big money.

The music business, classical and non-classical, is a snake pit, and the taste of the mass market, the artistic competence of the statistically normal standard consumer, is lousy. And so the radios play BS from midnight till midnight, and those being raised with that from childhood on do never learn it any better and thus think that noise to be "art". Ha...!

My taste of music is very diverse and widespread, it goes from classic to swing, from jazz to pop and rock, from Gregorian chant to 80s synthesizer. But taste ion AW's case is njot the issue. It is quality and musical competence - or the lack of. And lack of quality cannot always be relativised by claiming it all to be a question of taste.

[danasan]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

It's a shame that some people make fun of people that have passed on.
Making jokes or disparaging remarks about that person is really sad and in bad taste.
Who gives a crap about the musical ability of this person, when, in actual fact, she is dead?
A person has died and we make fun of it, in our own little way.
I am sorry but that is disgusting to me.
I am saddened by her death, and indeed by any death. No matter what reasons or abilities, or lack of that she may have had.
May she rest in peace and let us hope that other people can learn from her trobled life that others don't needlessly follow in the same footpath and we spare 1 more life.

Thanks for that comment.

[bweiss]

R.I.P.