Top Nazi Rudolf Hess exhumed from 'pilgrimage' grave

[Gerald]

The grave containing the remains of Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess has been destroyed to end it being used as a pilgrimage site by neo-Nazis.

Hess's bones were exhumed at the graveyard in the small town of Wunsiedel, southern Germany, in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

The remains will be cremated and then scattered at sea.

Hess was captured in 1941 and sentenced to life in prison. He killed himself in jail in 1987 at the age of 93.

As he requested in his will, he was buried in the Bavarian town of Wunsiedel, where his family had a holiday home and where his parents were already interred.

Neo-Nazis attempted to hold rallies at the grave on the anniversary of Hess's death.

The local Lutheran church which supervises the cemetery gave its permission for the burial at the time, ruling that the wishes of the deceased could not be ignored, the Suddeutsche Zeitung reports.

But they and local people have since become concerned by the number of far-right groups visiting the grave. Each year on the anniversary of his death, neo-Nazis have attempted to staged a march to the cemetery, saluting the grave, with its epitaph "I dared" and laying floral wreaths.

A 2005 court order banning such gatherings had little effect so the church decided to terminate the family's lease on the grave as of October 2011.

A granddaughter of Hess objected to the decision, the paper reports. She filed a lawsuit in an attempt to prevent it going ahead, but was eventually persuaded by the parish council to drop the case and allow the exhumation to go ahead.

Hess was one of Hitler's closest aides, but in 1941 he parachuted into Scotland in an apparently authorised solo peace mission, which was later denounced by the fuhrer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14232768


Note: 21 July 2011 Last updated at 11:00 GMT

[Growler]

I never understood the way the Western Allies treated Hess.

He lived out his years in jail, while after only a few years, Jochen Peiper was a free man; Peiper, and many others far more deserving of long sentences than Hess.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Growler

I never understood the way the Western Allies treated Hess.

He lived out his years in jail, while after only a few years, Jochen Peiper was a free man; Peiper, and many others far more deserving of long sentences than Hess.

Well there were some people who think he deserved the death penalty...

[Growler]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Well there were some people who think he deserved the death penalty...

That's kind of my point - a whole lot of convicted Nazis basically skated free or had their sentences commuted/overturned, but not Hess, and he was out of the war far earlier than guys like Goering (who offed himself in custody, I know).

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Growler

I never understood the way the Western Allies treated Hess.

Hess did transcribe and edit Mein Kampf and was Hitler's #2, he was definitely responsible for helping plan a war of aggression and conspiracy to commit war crimes.

I saw this story on the bbc and noticed for once there was not a comment box at the bottom,strange...hmmm.I also noticed an error in the story,from what i had previously read anyway.I thought Rudolf Hess parachuted into Britain to beg us to stop the war with Germany,and therefore was not "captured" as the bbc story read.Also i wonder now if all the communist leaders graves will also be exhumed...of course we already know the answer to that.

Why is it that the bbc and other media are so afraid to let people openly talk about the Nazi's.Why have they removed the comment box from that page?Of course someone could reply,its because of all the abuse and hatred that would come from pro Nazi's commenting on the story,but we all know that both left and right wing people are capable of such bile.

To me this is just another great example of the huge anti Nazi propaganda machine at work.We are truly not free in the west.

[Growler]

Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory

We are truly not free in the west.

Free enough to discuss it here.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory

I saw this story on the bbc and noticed for once there was not a comment box at the bottom,strange...hmmm.I also noticed an error in the story,from what i had previously read anyway.I thought Rudolf Hess parachuted into Britain to beg us to stop the war with Germany,and therefore was not "captured" as the bbc story read.Also i wonder now if all the communist leaders graves will also be exhumed...of course we already know the answer to that.

Why is it that the bbc and other media are so afraid to let people openly talk about the Nazi's.Why have they removed the comment box from that page?Of course someone could reply,its because of all the abuse and hatred that would come from pro Nazi's commenting on the story,but we all know that both left and right wing people are capable of such bile.

To me this is just another great example of the huge anti Nazi propaganda machine at work.We are truly not free in the west.

From the story,"Hess was one of Hitler's closest aides, but in 1941 he parachuted into Scotland in an apparently unauthorised solo peace mission, which was denounced by the fuhrer.

He was imprisoned by the British for the duration of the war, and jailed for life at the Nuremberg trials in 1946. He spent 40 years in Spandau Prison in Berlin.

He was the last remaining inmate at the prison when he was found hanged there in August 1987." And welcome to SubSim, conspiracy theory

[Growler]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Hess did transcribe and edit Mein Kampf and was Hitler's #2, he was definitely responsible for helping plan a war of aggression and conspiracy to commit war crimes.

And was out of the picture in 41, where the SS had three more years to carry on, with the consequences far out of proportion to Hess' sentence.

I'm not calling into queston Hess's guilt. Rather, I'm curious as to the disparity in sentencing.

Seriously Strike,"a war of aggression and conspiracy"...lol,sorry but are you 8?Do you think every other nation that has gone to war did it with flowers and love,and never used propaganda.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Hess did transcribe and edit Mein Kampf and was Hitler's #2, he was definitely responsible for helping plan a war of aggression and conspiracy to commit war crimes.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory

Seriously Strike,"a war of aggression and conspiracy"...lol,sorry but are you 8?Do you think every other nation that has gone to war did it with flowers and love,and never used propaganda.

No sometimes they go to war because they or their allies are invaded by other powers who want to exterminate part of the population and enslave the rest. Hess transcribed the book saying that Germany was going to do just that if they picked his buddy Hitler to lead it.

I think you maybe a little misled my friend. Can you show me where in mein kampf where it mentions exterminating anybody.

After the war, in all the records the nazi's kept, they only found one peice of paper that mentioned the extermination of jews, written in poor German.

If you watch the nuremburg trials, you will see Hermann Goring looking totally bemused as he is trying to tell the prosecution that he and Hitler knew nothing about an extermination of the jews. But who really knows eh.

Btw, there are a few alternative documentaries on the so called "death camps",worth a watch if , like me, you are into all this conspiracy stuff.One of the interesting things they show is how shallow the water table is at auswitch,so so much for the stories of thousands of people being burnt is massive pits...of water??? lol, plus how much heat would it take to burn thousands of bodies in an open pit?

But the most eye opening vid you will ever see is a video with David Irving,who was untill he wrote a book called Hitlers war (which he researched for 10 years) ,one of the worlds most trusted and celebrated historians. The problem with his book was, there was nothing on the holocaust in it. He told his jewish publishers, it was because he found no evidence of one, and after refusing to make it up as they told him to do, they pulled his book.

But if you are into hating nazi's, he does mention a lot of sick things they did actually do.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

No sometimes they go to war because they or their allies are invaded by other powers who want to exterminate part of the population and enslave the rest. Hess transcribed the book saying that Germany was going to do just that if they picked his buddy Hitler to lead it.

[August]

Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory

Seriously Strike,"a war of aggression and conspiracy"...lol,sorry but are you 8?Do you think every other nation that has gone to war did it with flowers and love,and never used propaganda.

Seriously, where does a noob like yourself get off insulting long term members?
If anyone is acting like they're 8 it's you.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by August

Seriously, where does a noob like yourself get off insulting long term members?
If anyone is acting like they're 8 it's you.

I note that this individual registered today, just to respond to this thread, and thus far, has not posted anywhere but this thread. I think he's either got strong feelings about Hess, or he's one of our keelhauled trolls reincarnated after seeing a topic of opportunity.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Growler

I never understood the way the Western Allies treated Hess.

He lived out his years in jail, while after only a few years, Jochen Peiper was a free man; Peiper, and many others far more deserving of long sentences than Hess.

And after he abandoned his post as Hitler's second in command to fly to Scotland to attempt to negotiate a peace settlement with the Allies no less. Makes about as much sense as General Dostler's execution of unmarked saboteurs case. I've long suspected it was more for long-term propaganda purposes than anything else. The fact that, again, Hitler's second in command would do this seems honestly, though, golden in its own right (as far as propaganda value is concerned, anyway).