Radio Message

[Kaptain Schlag]

The way I see it, war isn't very pretty and the fact any bombing was necessary is unfortunate. (No Im not a pacifist) I don't think we should be gloating on which country's bomber wing was more effective, even if statistics can be shown to prove one side or the other. The fact is I'm sure no one in this forum is proud or happy for all the collateral damage assessed during the war.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Kaptain Schlag

I don't think we should be gloating on which country's bomber wing was more effective, even if statistics can be shown to prove one side or the other.

I agree, and I think the reality was that all sides' bombing was about equally effective (or ineffective, if you like).

The fact is I'm sure no one in this forum is proud or happy for all the collateral damage assessed during the war.

I am a pacifist (though not of the absolutely nonviolent type). It took being in a war to make me hate war, though sometimes it is a necessary evil.

[Red Devil]

forget it, I was hoping for an interesting discussion, this is not. AND I do know what I am talking about, you do not know me so know little.

As for the original topic radio messages - they are allegedly supposed to be historically accurate not some persons idea of humour

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Red Devil

forget it, I was hoping for an interesting discussion, this is not. AND I do know what I am talking about, you do not know me so know little.

So show me the documentation that proves you right and I'll gladly apologize.

As for the original topic radio messages - they are allegedly supposed to be historically accurate not some persons idea of humour

Yes, the humor is sometimes...odd.

[Red Devil]

No matter Steve, its not at all important. I do, for a hobby, WW" reserach and have had a book published.

[Sailor Steve]

Good. Does that warrant a scathing and insulting attack on US contributions to the war?

And you're right, I don't know you at all. So show me the documentation that proves you right and I'll gladly apologize.

[peewee]

yawn.........

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by Red Devil

No matter Steve, its not at all important. I do, for a hobby, WW" reserach and have had a book published.

You are still wrong about USAAF bombing. I suggest you read THE UNITED STATES STRATEGIC BOMBING SURVEY. It is by far the most detailed and complete resourse for the WWII bombing campaign.

The campaigns against the oil, and the transportation systems were very effective. A short quote from the document:

Production from the synthetic plants declined steadily and by July 1944 every major plant had been hit. These plants were producing an average of 316,000 tons per month when the attacks began. Their production fell to 107,000 tons in June and 17,000 tons in September. Output of aviation gasoline from synthetic plants dropped from 175,000 tons in April to 30,000 tons in July and 5,000 tons in September. Production recovered somewhat in November and December, but for the rest of the war was but a fraction of pre-attack output.

The Germans viewed the attacks as catastrophic. In a series of letters to Hitler, among documents seized by the Survey, the developing crisis is outlined month by month in detail. On June 30, Speer wrote: "The enemy has succeeded in increasing our losses of aviation gasoline up to 90 percent by June 22d. Only through speedy recovery of damaged plants has it been possible to regain partly some of the terrible losses." The tone of the letters that followed was similar

Many have written negative things about the bombing effort in WWII. They either are unaware of the facts, or have chosen to ignore them.

[Red Devil]

Originally Posted by TorpX

You are still wrong about USAAF bombing. I suggest you read THE UNITED STATES STRATEGIC BOMBING SURVEY. It is by far the most detailed and complete resourse for the WWII bombing campaign.

of course it is, its written by the Yanks.