TMO- Heavy flack gun issue

[dallatorre]

i modded some files now, my sub with 2 standard Mg and the auto heavy flak can take out planes, in a mission i took down 3 out of 4 enemy planes that i engaged, just 1 at the first pass, the other 2 survived but they did another pass on me so they died...
do you think that it's too much? i changed just a little bit the highest damage possible on mg and the damage/radius of the flak...

[Daniel Prates]

Originally Posted by dallatorre

i modded some files now, my sub with 2 standard Mg and the auto heavy flak can take out planes, in a mission i took down 3 out of 4 enemy planes that i engaged, just 1 at the first pass, the other 2 survived but they did another pass on me so they died...
do you think that it's too much? i changed just a little bit the highest damage possible on mg and the damage/radius of the flak...

This is one for the history buffs out there. How often would a sub destroy an airplane? I am guessing it was rather unusual since the procedure of choice would be to dive instead of engaging - at least most of the times.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by dallatorre

i modded some files now, my sub with 2 standard Mg and the auto heavy flak can take out planes, in a mission i took down 3 out of 4 enemy planes that i engaged, just 1 at the first pass, the other 2 survived but they did another pass on me so they died...
do you think that it's too much? i changed just a little bit the highest damage possible on mg and the damage/radius of the flak...

Originally Posted by Daniel Prates

This is one for the history buffs out there. How often would a sub destroy an airplane? I am guessing it was rather unusual since the procedure of choice would be to dive instead of engaging - at least most of the times.

Well, 118 aircraft were shot down by u-boats http://uboat.net/history/aircraft_losses.htm and 250 u-boats were sunk by aircraft http://uboat.net/allies/aircraft/. If aircraft average 10 crew and u-boats average 50, then u-boats brought down 1180 Allied airmen and the Ubootwaffe lost 12,500 to aircraft (not counting survivors of course). I'd say shooting down more than one airplane in an engagement is unrealistic, and even taking on one should be a bad idea.

[dallatorre]

yep... so now i redone my modifications, just because the German AA shells weren't working propely...
and i saw that with the standard equipment on the sub i'm not able anymore to take down planes, i need double gun and the Automated flak...

i'm gonna post you my modifications maybe you can tell me if i need to change something
d= old damage with TMO D=modified one

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Browing Ge 20mm (AP) d=0,5-1,5 D=0,5-1,8
Oerlikon 20mm (HE) d=1,0-1,5 D=1,0-1,8
US 40mm HE d=5,0-8,0 D=5,0-8,0 (Piercing=15) (too powerful enough)
US 40mm AA d=5,0-8,0 D=5,0-8,6 (Piercing=5) (radius 4-12 <- from tmo)
US 40mm AP d=3,0-5,0 D=3,0-6,0 (Piercing=20)
Ger 30mm AP d=1,5-4,0 D=1,5-4,0
Ger 30mm HE d=3,0-8,0 D=3,5-8,0
Ger 37mm AP d=2,0-5,0 D=2,5-5,0 (piercing=12)
Ger 37mm AA d=4,0-8,0 D=4,0-8,6 (piercing=5) (radius 4-10)<-instead 2
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waiting feedbacks... maybe i can upload the zip for mod, but if noone like it I won't do it.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Well, 118 aircraft were shot down by u-boats http://uboat.net/history/aircraft_losses.htm and 250 u-boats were sunk by aircraft http://uboat.net/allies/aircraft/. If aircraft average 10 crew and u-boats average 50, then u-boats brought down 1180 Allied airmen and the Ubootwaffe lost 12,500 to aircraft (not counting survivors of course). I'd say shooting down more than one airplane in an engagement is unrealistic, and even taking on one should be a bad idea.

i think that they took down to few airplanes is because they were diving...
ah, i can say that the uboat with this modification still can't take down a bomber, yesterday when i was checking my modifications a 4 engines bomber passed over me (maybe a B17) but it was high enough that the MG cannot shoot, and he launched few bombs but with scarce effect, i can say that i take down planes when they are flying into me for drop the torpedo (why torpedo planes doesn't drop torpedoes ingame?) and is better if you flank in theyr direction so they compensate going down more and sometimes doing an overshoot = miss or forcing them to make another pass, so sometimes they will be took down.

[WernherVonTrapp]

[dallatorre]

i haven't made that changes! oh.. i know.. you wanna play with an AA cannon that doesn't have an explosion radius just for a bug.

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

Browing Ge 20mm (AP) d=0,5-1,5 D=0,5-1,8
Oerlikon 20mm (HE) d=1,0-1,5 D=1,0-1,8
US 40mm HE d=5,0-8,0 D=5,0-8,0 (Piercing=15) (too powerful enough)
US 40mm AA d=5,0-8,0 D=5,0-8,6 (Piercing=5) (radius 4-12 <- from tmo)
US 40mm AP d=3,0-5,0 D=3,0-6,0 (Piercing=20)
Ger 30mm AP d=1,5-4,0 D=1,5-4,0
Ger 30mm HE d=3,0-8,0 D=3,5-8,0
Ger 37mm AP d=2,0-5,0 D=2,5-5,0 (piercing=12)
Ger 37mm AA d=4,0-8,0 D=4,0-8,6 (piercing=5) (radius 4-10)<-instead 2

Maybe I'm not understanding the numbers here, but a radius 4-12? Is that meters??

Did the US even have a 40mm AP round? What on earth would it be used for?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by dallatorre

i think that they took down to few airplanes is because they were diving...

You think wrong. When they were ordered to stay up and shoot rather than dive, they died like flies.
http://uboat.net/history/fight_back_order.htm

In real life, staying up and shooting was a very bad idea. Even if you won, 20mm holes in the hull could not be properly repaired and would render your boat a very ineffective surface raider. It sounds to me like you just want to play your way, which is fine, but you want to justify it as realistic, which it isn't.

[Daniel Prates]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Well, 118 aircraft were shot down by u-boats http://uboat.net/history/aircraft_losses.htm and 250 u-boats were sunk by aircraft http://uboat.net/allies/aircraft/. If aircraft average 10 crew and u-boats average 50, then u-boats brought down 1180 Allied airmen and the Ubootwaffe lost 12,500 to aircraft (not counting survivors of course). I'd say shooting down more than one airplane in an engagement is unrealistic, and even taking on one should be a bad idea.

Yeah, my point exactely... see the plane? SCRAM. If downing those planes is what moves you on, try the 'forgotten battles' franchise - also from UBISOFT and similar do SH in many ways (though with a completely different development team).