Obama hopeful on reaching US debt deal with Republicans

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by yubba

At least the previous president didn't punish corperations for having their own jets. And I bet he knows the age of his own kids.

No, the previous president punished the entire nation with a war that should have never been fought and the entire world with the worst financial crisis since the 1930's.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

1930's.

Professor of what???

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Professor of what???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression

Musicology. Emphasis in Wagner studies. What are your credentials?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression

Musicology. Emphasis in Wagner studies. What are your credentials?

I can spot a misplaced apostrophe. That's about it.

[yubba]

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...Trip-Count.htm Bushes fault, well Obama could have changed or turned this all round, but he chose bigger government and more spending, he chose more regulation and created a unfreindly climate for businesses, and if you hadn't noticed we are in four wars and there's probably a couple more that we don't know about, Bush didn't have 44 million people on food stamps, Bush didn't have a 14 trillion debt, Bush didn't have us spending 4 bucks on a gallon of gas, Bush didn't have a 9 percent or more unemployment rate, it all fell apart when the democrats took over both side of the house in 06 and took us down the path we are on now, at least I had a better job when Bush was in office. So the question you need to ask yourself, is, are you better off now, or 4 years ago, and if you want 4 more years of this over bearing and over spending nanny state. The one thing that I have noticed, we are, all screwed, some haven't figured it out yet, oh well, those will be the ones in the streets because of broken promises.

[Sailor Steve]

No, it's not the Democrats' fault, and it's not the Republicans' fault either. It's neither of them and it's both of them. Part of the problem is the people who want so badly to win they forget what the prize is, or even what the game is. Blaming the other guy is the easy way out, and until you realize that there really is no "other guy" you're going to recreate the same old trap yourself, over and over again.

"We have met the enemy and he is us".
-Walt Kelly's Pogo

[yubba]

Oh by the way I hated Bush, this guy is far worse. Yeah your right steve they both feed from the same trwath.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

No, the previous president punished the entire nation with a war that should have never been fought and the entire world with the worst financial crisis since the 1930's.

Truth be told Tak, war is an a multi-billion dollar industry. It serves a large part of our working class. I would dare say (without proof) that the manufacturing business above and beyond military materials is gone from this country. It is found in China. The military machine industry is found here in the US. I can only imagine what the economy would be like if this facet of the economy was removed.

There is a old line from somewhere and it goes, "Killing is my business and business is good.'

Has there really been a presidency since WW2 that did not have some kind of crisis/war/police action/occupation of another country?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Truth be told Tak, war is an a multi-billion dollar industry. It serves a large part of our working class. I would dare say (without proof) that the manufacturing business above and beyond military materials is gone from this country. It is found in China. The military machine industry is found here in the US. I can only imagine what the economy would be like if this facet of the economy was removed.

There is a old line from somewhere and it goes, "Killing is my business and business is good.'

Of course, if that were still the case, we would not be in the dire straits that we find ourselves.

Has there really been a presidency since WW2 that did not have some kind of crisis/war/police action/occupation of another country?

There has not, but only the war in Iraq and Vietnam stick in my head as cases of wars being thought without necessity.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

There has not, but only the war in Iraq and Vietnam stick in my head as cases of wars being thought without necessity.

Yes, these are wars without necessity but both still drove the military industry. It would seem, we as a nation, need war as part of our economy.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

There is a old line from somewhere and it goes, "Killing is my business and business is good.'

I think it was from the band Megadeath.

But it also applies to the Military Industrial Complex that Ike warned about.

[yubba]

This government can't function in a peaceful environment, it has to have a security threat, or a boogey man, it gives the government and politicions imagenary powers, that aren't in the constitution, point in fact the TSA {thousands standing around}

[Sailor Steve]

So, which president created the Patriot Act?

"Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad.
-James Madison

[Gerald]

By President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001!

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

"Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad.
-James Madison

It's also overused, but still true:

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.” - Hermann Goering