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Old 06-24-11, 11:35 PM   #1
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I disagree. Maybe legal precedent (a flimsy and temporal pretext) says the Union is perpetual and, what that other is, now, but that could easily change. It's nuts to think that the US is a big backer of self-determination all over the world but not at home.

Majority rules! And if a state wants out of this sinking ship, that's the will of the people, who has the right to oppose?




Speaking for myself, a native Southerner, I think most who fly the flag see it as a way of flipping off authority. It also represents the will and determination of the South to hold on to their way of life (which was pretty shabby, on the whole, but hey).

Illegal rebellion, ha, the US was founded on that concept, right, Jim?
Ok, thanks for the explanation on the flag.
But (forgive me for prying) this is where it gets interesting;
"Majority rules! And if a state wants out of this sinking ship, that's the will of the people, who has the right to oppose"
On the one hand, I can understand your feeling. On the other hand, Texas is part of the US and the US democracy is formed by all the 52 states. So in this case, even if the majority of Texas would rather be independant, you're overruled by democracy. Kinda ironic; democracy is relative; it still depends on who gets to vote. I take it that all states/senators wouls have to vote about this. (But please correct me if I made any mistakes here)
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Old 06-24-11, 11:37 PM   #2
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US democracy is formed by all the 52 states.

Still 50 states, one federal district, and a small bunch of territories.

Oh and about 800 military bases around the world. Can't forget about them.
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Old 06-24-11, 11:41 PM   #3
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My bad, sorry. Somehow I always think there's 52 (Don't underestimate me though, I play pub-quizzes on a regular basis and I know most of the US capitals )
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Old 06-25-11, 12:01 AM   #4
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My bad, sorry. Somehow I always think there's 52 (Don't underestimate me though, I play pub-quizzes on a regular basis and I know most of the US capitals )
Don't sweat it, Obama made the same mistake
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Old 06-25-11, 02:07 AM   #5
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Maybe legal precedent (a flimsy and temporal pretext) says the Union is perpetual and, what that other is, now, but that could easily change.
How many states would have to agree on how many levels just to start to set such a change in motion

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Majority rules! And if a state wants out of this sinking ship, that's the will of the people, who has the right to oppose?
The people. A state is just a state and the people are in all the states and beyond so what a state wants is not a majority by a long shot.
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...who has the right to oppose"
As an American citizen I have that right. The entire United States is my home, not just the state in which I currently reside.
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