Obama Won’t Use Troops to Save Afghan Hellhole (Drones, Maybe)

Bakkels · 06-22-11, 08:53 PM

And the question is, why are there troops in Afghanistan?
It doesn't do anyone any good. Not the Afghans, not the US, not the rest of the world. It just seems pretty pointless to me.
I don't know if anybody even knows this, but in the 60 s, Afghanistan was a relatively modern society. With women walking around in skirts and everything.
But at a certain point, it got involved in the interests of more powerful nations.

Also, call me a woosh, but calling Afghanistan a hellhole is kind of disrespectful imo. What, they're all fundamentalist terrorists? The large majority if Afghans don't give a flip about our political games and have no idea what the big deal is. At a certain point you can't blame them for being pissed off at foreign armies occupying their country. Yes, there are Taliban and terrorists there, but there are also a lot of people just trying to get by. And a vast majority at that. They don't give a toss about global politics, yet they suffer the consequences.

Feuer Frei! · 06-22-11, 10:19 PM

@ Bakkels:
I'm certain that they were not attempting to be disrespectful to Afghans, or their customs.
I think purely from a geographical point of view, and with what's going on over there atm, the terminology of hellhole is a bit crude, i admit.
That's reporting for you though. Shock value.

Hawk66 · 06-23-11, 06:22 AM

Have to say, I've supported the mission in Afghanistan until last year but there seems to be no substantial progress.

Now two of the two main nations, which were commited to Afghanistan (US/Germany) will more or less leave the country in a couple of years.

Then, I guess, unfortunately for the Afghans, they will have a similar situation like before 9/11.

The question for me is, how will such people ever get a chance to break free? I do not mean that they adapt Western lifestyle 1:1 but that the people can determine their life by themselves and not by following crazy religious fanatics.

MH · 06-23-11, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bakkels

.............. What, they're all fundamentalist terrorists? The large majority if Afghans don't give a flip about our political games and have no idea what the big deal is. At a certain point you can't blame them for being pissed off at foreign armies occupying their country. Yes, there are Taliban and terrorists there, but there are also a lot of people just trying to get by. And a vast majority at that. They don't give a toss about global politics, yet they suffer the consequences.

Even if that's true at the and what matters is if this can be turned into reality.
In this type of places its much easier to swing general population toward Taliban way than western ways because it more natural stance culturally.
Its sort of like being a bit more religious or total heretic-just for example
I'm talking about all every day aspects of life...
So Taliban comes and wants you to be a bit more this or that or they kill you then you have westerners who try to teach you to go totally against your cultural heritage.

If Americans can find good way to get out they should get the hell out.

Armistead · 06-23-11, 10:39 AM

The fact we're still there shows we never had a exit plan from the beginning, but a nation buildng plan. We will never make a western democracy there, time to get out. They'll go back to killing each other for another decade or morre.

MH · 06-23-11, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

The fact we're still there shows we never had a exit plan from the beginning, but a nation buildng plan. We will never make a western democracy there, time to get out. They'll go back to killing each other for another decade or morre.

Fact is that USA lost the war.
Funny thing is that Obama is having talks with Taliban while admitting that he has lost.
Maybe he tries to promise them something more than any of the neighbouring countries can?
Iranians must be having Arak party while smoking Afghan pot

Platapus · 06-23-11, 06:52 PM

Other than the TAP pipeline, there is nothing in AF worth a single American life.

Personally I would not risk any American lives for TAP either.

06-22-11, 08:53 PM	#1
Bakkels Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Groningen, The Netherlands Posts: 709 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 6	And the question is, why are there troops in Afghanistan? It doesn't do anyone any good. Not the Afghans, not the US, not the rest of the world. It just seems pretty pointless to me. I don't know if anybody even knows this, but in the 60 s, Afghanistan was a relatively modern society. With women walking around in skirts and everything. But at a certain point, it got involved in the interests of more powerful nations. Also, call me a woosh, but calling Afghanistan a hellhole is kind of disrespectful imo. What, they're all fundamentalist terrorists? The large majority if Afghans don't give a flip about our political games and have no idea what the big deal is. At a certain point you can't blame them for being pissed off at foreign armies occupying their country. Yes, there are Taliban and terrorists there, but there are also a lot of people just trying to get by. And a vast majority at that. They don't give a toss about global politics, yet they suffer the consequences. __________________ My sh3 skins : http://www.gamefront.com/files/user/Bakkels Or go to the sh3 downloads section > skins Last edited by Bakkels; 06-22-11 at 09:10 PM.

06-22-11, 10:19 PM	#2
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	@ Bakkels: I'm certain that they were not attempting to be disrespectful to Afghans, or their customs. I think purely from a geographical point of view, and with what's going on over there atm, the terminology of hellhole is a bit crude, i admit. That's reporting for you though. Shock value. __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

06-23-11, 06:52 PM	#7
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,369 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Other than the TAP pipeline, there is nothing in AF worth a single American life. Personally I would not risk any American lives for TAP either. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

06-23-11, 06:22 AM	#3
Hawk66 Commodore Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 609 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Have to say, I've supported the mission in Afghanistan until last year but there seems to be no substantial progress. Now two of the two main nations, which were commited to Afghanistan (US/Germany) will more or less leave the country in a couple of years. Then, I guess, unfortunately for the Afghans, they will have a similar situation like before 9/11. The question for me is, how will such people ever get a chance to break free? I do not mean that they adapt Western lifestyle 1:1 but that the people can determine their life by themselves and not by following crazy religious fanatics.

06-23-11, 10:39 AM	#5
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	The fact we're still there shows we never had a exit plan from the beginning, but a nation buildng plan. We will never make a western democracy there, time to get out. They'll go back to killing each other for another decade or morre.