Pensions Outrage In UK

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Bakkels

Eehm, not to be a pain, but first of all, you have different pensions ages for women and men in the UK? I find that kind of weird in the first place.
And it's 60 for women? Well I'm sorry but raising that age only seems a good thing to me.

I agree with you regarding this point, as long as child education times are also considered towards your pension- which they are here, iirc 3 years per kid.

Originally Posted by Bakkels

Over here the pension age just got raised a year ago. Yes there were some protests, but the bill made it through parliament. And I got to say, it's only natural. In the 50's, a very famous social-democrat prime-minister here introduced pensions, a standard pension for elderly people and general health care. Socialist as he was, even he said (back in the fifties, that is) that the pension age should rise to compensate for the increased life-expectancy.

The guy said it in the 50s, where we had full-employment. These times will never come back. I live near the Ruhrgebiet, which used to be the industrial heartland of Germany. Only a fraction of the jobs were shifted from the industrial to the service sector. Most jobs just vanished.

I might be subjective, as most old people I know/knew come from a working-class/lower middle class background. You cannot do manual labour indefinitely - and certainly not everybody can switch to an administrational job at old age, not only because of the skills but also because of an limited amount of these positions.
This is something which is not considered in a static age limit: the different worn-out levels of the people. There are certainly many people who are eager and fit enough to work till they reach a high age, nobody should stop them doing so, but not everybody has the skills, health and possibility to do so.

Another problem I have with the argument of the increased lifespan of the people. It is certainly true that we live longer. But should the consequence be that we all work till near death? Maybe we just should say good-bye to this 19th/early 20th century model of labour and enjoy the fruits that an increased productivity can purvey to us. Or do we need to re-indroduce barren, repetitive manual labour at a conveyor belt, just for the sake of creating jobs?

[Bakkels]

Originally Posted by Penguin

I might be subjective, as most old people I know/knew come from a working-class/lower middle class background. You cannot do manual labour indefinitely - and certainly not everybody can switch to an administrational job at old age, not only because of the skills but also because of an limited amount of these positions.
This is something which is not considered in a static age limit: the different worn-out levels of the people. There are certainly many people who are eager and fit enough to work till they reach a high age, nobody should stop them doing so, but not everybody has the skills, health and possibility to do so.

You bring up some good points. Over here it will be taken into account if you're doing manual labour that takes a bigger toll on the body over the years. The problem is objectively establishing which jobs are heavier physically, and how much compared to others/eachother.

[Betonov]

A retiree tells her teenage grand-daughter: when I was your age I was allready working
Response: grandma, when I'll be your age I'll still be working

[yubba]

Well our grand thinkers in D.C. opt for social commie crowney capitalism, they opt for pristein wilderness than drilling for oil, they opt too not drill in the gulf. They choose to regulate and create a unfreindy climate for businesses to grow, while their buddies get waviors. They opt for cleaner air, meaning, that coal fired electrical plants will shut down, without replacement plants up and running to replace the coal fired plants, meaning it's going to be harder to charge your electric car, and prices of everything will skyrocket. More Government is not the answer, government is the problem. If you want cleaner air plant more trees and quit using our oceans as toilets.

[STEED]

I like the way Cameron said I would be tougher on the unemployed and immigrants if it wasn't for the Liberals!

So why did you jump in to bed with them?

As for the Liberals they have lost the plot, if Clegg was a true Liberal he would say stuff you the coalition is off, but no he's had a taste of power and loves it.

As for the Unions going on strike on the 30th June big deal...Why don't all of the Unions walk out for good? That would cause Cameron one hell of a nightmare situation which could result in a prompt general election. Trouble is the Conservatives, Labour and Liberals are a wast of space and a total disgrace.

I unit such time where someone stands up and has the balls to do what is needed like getting us out of the bloody EU this country will remain on course for a third world country.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

I like the way Cameron said I would be tougher on the unemployed and immigrants if it wasn't for the Liberals!

So why did you jump in to bed with them?

As for the Liberals they have lost the plot, if Clegg was a true Liberal he would say stuff you the coalition is off, but no he's had a taste of power and loves it.

As for the Unions going on strike on the 30th June big deal...Why don't all of the Unions walk out for good? That would cause Cameron one hell of a nightmare situation which could result in a prompt general election. Trouble is the Conservatives, Labour and Liberals are a wast of space and a total disgrace.

I unit such time where someone stands up and has the balls to do what is needed like getting us out of the bloody EU this country will remain on course for a third world country.

I'd be saying to those bloodsuckers in Westminster...."Okay so your making adjustments to the working class pensions?......yours first and we'll all settle for equality".

[MothBalls]

A. Soylent Green

[STEED]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I'd be saying to those bloodsuckers in Westminster...."Okay so your making adjustments to the working class pensions?......yours first and we'll all settle for equality".

I would put the whole bloody lot up against the wall when the Revolution comes...

But as we know jim its game over for this country now, may as well make the most of our life's, nothing will change for the better.