Pensions Outrage In UK

[Betonov]

They tried to raise the retirement age from 60 to 65 in our country this year. People went berserk, syndicates threatened with revolution, students threatened with another revolt (last year a student riot left our parliament building with broken windows and a burned ornamental bush) until a referendum was issued. The reform was rejected

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Betonov

They tried to raise the retirement age from 60 to 65 in our country this year. People went berserk, syndicates threatened with revolution, students threatened with another revolt (last year a student riot left our parliament building with broken windows and a burned ornamental bush) until a referendum was issued. The reform was rejected

I think we're a little more civilised than that in the UK

Or so the government tell us/hope

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I think we're a little more civilised than that in the UK

I thought you are from UK

Edit: never mind, I read it wrong the first time

Syndicates are a bit too powerfull here, they're playing the nostalgia card of our prevoius system. Trying to revert back to socialism and people follow them like sheep and if they say there will be riots than I expect a call from the civil defence to be on call. The truth is, they're a money grubbing pseudo labor organisation and if they'd do their jobs, we wouldn't be in this mess where we are today.

Damn it, saturday we are celebrating our 20th independence aniversary and people are running around with Socialist Yugoslavian flags

[jumpy]

Originally Posted by Betonov

The truth is, they're a money grubbing pseudo labor organisation and if they'd do their jobs, we wouldn't be in this mess where we are today.

That just about sums up our government for the last ....ooh soooo many years now. You get used to it eventually until it doesn't really matter what they say or do or what we think of it, 'cause they'll only ignore us anyway.

What I fail to understand is where are all these jobs for the masses going to come from? Old people working longer, young people looking for jobs of their own, and everyone in-between in a declining mass labour market.
They've planned to cut national debt by including raising the state pension age as one means of trying to saving money - I think that all the government has planned for as far as the pension thing is concerned. Perhaps the private sector will step in and solve all our problems, you know, like they did once before...?

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by jumpy

What I fail to understand is where are all these jobs for the masses going to come from? Old people working longer, young people looking for jobs of their own, and everyone in-between in a declining mass labour market.

The employment level of people over 50 is 50% here... But the government still thinks in this 1950s utopia of full-employment. Everyone is waiting for the labour fairy who magically will make a job wonder.

Originally Posted by jumpy

They've planned to cut national debt by including raising the state pension age as one means of trying to saving money - I think that all the government has planned for as far as the pension thing is concerned.

Seems that the Krauts voted for the same geniuses...

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Betonov

They tried to raise the retirement age from 60 to 65 in our country this year. People went berserk, syndicates threatened with revolution, students threatened with another revolt (last year a student riot left our parliament building with broken windows and a burned ornamental bush) until a referendum was issued. The reform was rejected

They raised the pension age from 65 to 67 here in 2007. What did the Germans do? They voted again for the Christian Demoncrats who initiated it ...
Those damned sheeps here don't deserve it better...
The brave heroes of the Social Demoncrats who also voted for the raise were suddenly against it when they went into opposition. Really the true voice of the small man....

[Skybird]

Somebody has to pay for all that people want to have in pensions and comfort. And the simple truth is demographics, debts, and the madness of the Euro trading away richer countries' future securities do not allow to pay for all that stuff anymore. There was party for half a century, and now the waiter has come to present the bill - and it is a nightmare number.

And what does that mean - "richer countries"? All Wetsern nations have lived for decades on tics, wastiong more money on tic than they could afford. Germany has black-on-white debts of almost 2 billion currently. If you calculate all future pesnions into it of people who at this very time earn or haver earned claims for fduture pensions, Germany's debts right now already are over 5 billion - one htird of that of the US, but with an economy and population not equalling one third of the US economy and population!

We have already consumed our children's and children's children's future. And in more than just finacial understandings of that phrase. Generation-wise, we have not been good parents over the past decades. We have been total azzes. And where the Argentinians have been ten years ago, and Greece is today, Germany will be in 10-15 years.

On the Greeks, it seems to me they do not search solutions and do not wish to understand how every single vote the private person made over the past 40 years has contributed to the mess they are in now. To me, there are no victims of the system, becasue the vast ,majority of Greek citizens particpated in the system as long as it held together and they did get their share. Instead of understanding this, they now instead look for foreign scapegoats. Today there was an article in the German press, describing the last reformer they had over 100 years ago who tried to reform the deeply corrupt political system Greece has traditionally. They lynched him.