Too much eels on one boat, and a circular at last... - Page 2

Thrair · 06-04-11, 07:30 PM

A while back I was taking a risk and attacking a task force in calm weather and fairly shallow water. I fired 6 hastily aimed shots at a kongo. One hit an escorting light cruiser, one was a dud, and 3 were solid hits that left the kongo dead in the water. The other appeared to be a miss.

While trying to evade a DD that got on top of me much faster than I anticipated, there was a massive explosion that split the Destroyer in half. Turns out the "miss" was a circular that was swimmingly along above me when the destroyer was making a run.

Sometimes circulars are useful. Most of the time, they suck.

*EDIT* Still lost the sub that patrol. I'd managed to slink away from the main group and was turning on a little TC when a trailing escort I'd not noticed came back towards the task force and happened to run my butt over with depth charges.

magic452 · 06-04-11, 10:23 PM

You should have fired another circle runner at it.

The convoys almost always leave on escort behind.
Trails at about 7 miles.

Magic

commandosolo2009 · 06-08-11, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by magic452

You should have fired another circle runner at it.

The convoys almost always leave on escort behind.
Trails at about 7 miles.

Magic

Yeah, tell me about it...

But even with hot straight and normal, you need visual proof of the detonation.

Daniel Prates · 06-09-11, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by commandosolo2009

But even with hot straight and normal, you need visual proof of the detonation.

A welcome improvement for SH4 would be the need of confirmation so that you could score a kill. I mean, you are left in the blind as to deep runners, circlers etc (and fairly so, since that's the way it worked in Real Life) but when a ship is destroyed, you get that message saying "enemy unit destroyed!" Come on!

Platapus · 06-09-11, 03:32 PM

You are right. If your crew is going to report torpedo in the water, why not have them tell you whether it is hot straight and normal.

Now, during WWII, what could the crew know about the torpedo after it left the tube?

Diopos · 06-09-11, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

You are right. If your crew is going to report torpedo in the water, why not have them tell you whether it is hot straight and normal.

That is a question for Ubisoft actually!

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Now, during WWII, what could the crew know about the torpedo after it left the tube?

They could track it via hydrophones. From the firing solution they knew the bearing the torpedo should be. Any deviation from it would indicate a problem. Also if the characteristics of the torps sound signal (frequency/pitch and its general "timber") deviated from the normal that would be considered another indication of something going wrong.

Well, me thinks at least

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TorpX · 06-10-11, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

You are right. If your crew is going to report torpedo in the water, why not have them tell you whether it is hot straight and normal.

Now, during WWII, what could the crew know about the torpedo after it left the tube?

They could and did track torpedos in WWII. O'Kane describes how his soundman tracked both the target and the torp, alternating between each as they moved closer together. It certainly could be done, but I'm sure there were limitations to this approach. Throw in multiple targets and torps and it would become very difficult. In any case, I'm not sure how much warning your sound operator would be able to give you.

BTW, I've read that the Navy could have had a mechanical safeguard against circle runners, but for obscure reasons chose not to.

Daniel Prates · 06-10-11, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Diopos

Well, me thinks at least

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I am pretty sure that the 'funkmann' in u-boats would listen the torpedo. If the sound is dissipating and the sonar is directed ahead, the torpedo is clearly going straight. If the sound dos not diminish and the sonarman has to rotate the sonar scope to keep hearing the torpedo, than it was clearly a circular. I am sure of this since because of one of those interviews included in good old 'aces of the deep'. Now, if american skippers had the habit of doing the same, I dont know, but it was possible.

06-04-11, 10:23 PM	#17
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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,381 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	You are right. If your crew is going to report torpedo in the water, why not have them tell you whether it is hot straight and normal. Now, during WWII, what could the crew know about the torpedo after it left the tube? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

06-04-11, 07:30 PM	#16
Thrair Helmsman Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 102 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	A while back I was taking a risk and attacking a task force in calm weather and fairly shallow water. I fired 6 hastily aimed shots at a kongo. One hit an escorting light cruiser, one was a dud, and 3 were solid hits that left the kongo dead in the water. The other appeared to be a miss. While trying to evade a DD that got on top of me much faster than I anticipated, there was a massive explosion that split the Destroyer in half. Turns out the "miss" was a circular that was swimmingly along above me when the destroyer was making a run. Sometimes circulars are useful. Most of the time, they suck. EDIT Still lost the sub that patrol. I'd managed to slink away from the main group and was turning on a little TC when a trailing escort I'd not noticed came back towards the task force and happened to run my butt over with depth charges.