Bin Laden is dead, official

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by MH

Why you so happy?
It sort of contradicts the whole conspiracy theory then.
The attack really happen but Israelis knew about it beforehand?

I am not happy, the real perpetrators (elements within the US government) must go to jail, apparently the israeli secret service MOSSAD was also involved


MOSSAD INVOLVEMENT In The 9 11 WTC ATTACKS 1 of 2

[Penguin]

I'd like to pick up the motive ball and ask about the one of the U.S. government. I certainly don't trust any government more far than I could throw its members, but I have failed to hear an explanation about the government role:
- the 3 billion insurance money mentioned before are clearly peanuts for a government, we saw this bitterly proven at the bailout madness.
- a reason to go to war would have been easier to make
- to unite the public against a common enemy would need much less effort; the less people involved, the better

If the U.S. government planned or at least knew about the attacks: Why did they used it not as a great propaganda coup, to present themselves in a good light, let W. hold a powerfully wrtitten speech and show that they clearly handle the situation, rather than looking incompetent and surprised. Or does this show the brilliance of the plan?
They could used forged evidence to clearly point at the enemy, instead of going the hard way and following several leads :"Oh, look, we found Osama's business card in one of the planes"

And a government which was able to clandestinely plan and carry out the biggest attack on U.S. soil is later unable to plant one tiny fake WMD in Iraq to proof its claims?
It came out that Rumsfeld and the others lied about the WMD issue, but nobody of the people involved in 9/11 talked or presented evidence of a conspiracy which would have included significantly more people who were informed than the Iraq claims?

[August]

Originally Posted by Mush Martin

3billion in SEC securities fraud investigation Vapourized.

More than that in Missing defence spending Under investigation.

Both investigations ended with the collapse of building seven,

Smoke and mirrors. They're all lies invented by the conspiracy nuts. If you follow their quotes and citations they lead you nowhere.

But besides that.

No government with the power to covertly destroy buildings and murder thousands of their own people would need to go to such extreme and risky measures to achieve those objectives.

[MH]

Originally Posted by tonschk

I am not happy, the real perpetrators (elements within the US government) must go to jail, apparently the israeli secret service MOSSAD was also involved

.....and they dealt with airline shares to make few bucks...warned Israeli workers in WTC leaving trace.
That what this theory is based on.
This perfect conspiracy theory is full of #$%#$% hezbollah would do it better.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by tonschk

I am not happy, the real perpetrators (elements within the US government) must go to jail, apparently the israeli secret service MOSSAD was also involved


MOSSAD INVOLVEMENT In The 9 11 WTC ATTACKS 1 of 2

Oh yeah. That old tired argument of anti-Semites everywhere. Dah Joos musta dunn it!

[August]

Originally Posted by MH

Why you so happy?
It sort of contradicts the whole conspiracy theory then.
The attack really happen but Israelis knew about it beforehand?

His happiness indicates he's the other kind of conspiracy theorist.

The first kind are the believers. People whose hate of the US Government is so strong they'd believe anything negative. The other kind are those who don't believe in much at all but do it just to goad and irritate.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Penguin

It came out that Rumsfeld and the others lied about the WMD issue, but nobody of the people involved in 9/11 talked or presented evidence of a conspiracy which would have included significantly more people who were informed than the Iraq claims?

The question as to who, specifically carried out the machinations of the events of 9/11/01 is quite relevant. But, the Truther crowd will answer that they have no way of knowing since this is a highly guarded secret and that perhaps many of those doing the grunt jobs either did not realize they were involved or they were killed shortly after they completed their part.

A person who would not know they had a part would be someone who was told to install a black box of some sort next to columns of the towers months or weeks in advance which, unbeknownst to that person , contained explosives. Yes, I see the holes in that. The person may realize after the event that they had unwittingly played a part, the people supervising this would have to know etc.

The Truther crowd likes to claim that very few people would have to know the whole plot and that is correct, but many people would have to know enough to understand they played a part in a large conspiracy. The people who would fit this category, according to the many plots and sub-plots the Truthers adhere to: (a partial list)

-Members of the US administration such as but not limited to;
GWB, Ashcroft, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice plus their Illuminati/ Zionist/ NWO masters.

-NORAD officials who ordered a 'stand-down' or transmitted such orders upon being told to by higher up political masters

-ATC officials who delayed notifying NORAD of the hijackings

-The members of GWB's Secret Service protection detail who knew he was not in danger in the school and thus did not move him to Airforce 1 immediately

-The crew who installed the thermite and explosives in WTC 1,2 & 7,( or the thermobaric weapons, or the mini-nukes)

-The pilots who remotely commandeered the planes

-The crew who programmed and sent the missile to hit the Pentagon

-The staff of the secret base to which Flight 77 was taken(and possibly the other three planes as well) where the aircraft and the persons on board were disposed of.

-The personnel who created the false phone calls from the planes

-The planners of all of the above.

The idea that you get this complex and diverse group of people to remain silent for that past decade is just as ridiculous as the conspiracy theory that the virtual army of technicians, managers and ground controllers involving in faking the Apollo landings could keep their peace for forty years.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Here's some curious stuff.

US government claims that one plane crashed into Pentagon.

Where's the plane? There's no plane, no sign of any parts of a plane in the crash site.

Any video footage of the plane crashing? US government collected all security cameras from all the buildings nearby, and negate to release the footage till this day. Any video leaked showing an airplane crashing into the pentagon? No, not a single one. Why? Cos it was a missile.

They were asked "If it was an airplane, where's the rubble?"

They replied "It melted down cos of the heat from the airplane fuel burning".

Tons and tons of steel engine melted down? The whole thing melted down to leave absolutely no trace? I think they never saw a plane crash before.

Then they covered the whole area of the plane crash with huge amounts of sand in less then 24 hours, to cover up any evidence.

They have "We're hiding something" written all over their foreheads.

Oh, btw, they claimed to have found a terrorist passport in the middle of the rubble. Tons of steel melt, but a passport stays intact? haha

[August]

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

Here's some curious stuff.

I know people who were in the building that day. There was indeed wreckage. There is indeed video. It was indeed a civilian airliner that crashed into it.

[tater]

They found plane parts in the Pentagon. Anyone who believes 9-11 conspiracies is an idiot. Or crazy. Pick one.

Actually, i think it's both. Believing any conspiracy is a mental illness, IMO. All such people, regardless of the particular conspiracy act exactly the same way (JFK, faked moon landing, etc, ad nauseum). Their reaction to contrary evidence is identical. As such, while I think they are indeed invariably less intelligent, the belief itself is a demonstration of mental illness into the bargain (and I do mean frank, clinical mental illness).

[MH]

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

Here's some curious stuff.

US government claims that one plane crashed into Pentagon.

Where's the plane? There's no plane, no sign of any parts of a plane in the crash site.

Any video footage of the plane crashing? US government collected all security cameras from all the buildings nearby, and negate to release the footage till this day. Any video leaked showing an airplane crashing into the pentagon? No, not a single one. Why? Cos it was a missile.

They were asked "If it was an airplane, where's the rubble?"

They replied "It melted down cos of the heat from the airplane fuel burning".

Tons and tons of steel engine melted down? The whole thing melted down to leave absolutely no trace? I think they never saw a plane crash before.

Then they covered the whole area of the plane crash with huge amounts of sand in less then 24 hours, to cover up any evidence.

They have "We're hiding something" written all over their foreheads.

Oh, btw, they claimed to have found a terrorist passport in the middle of the rubble. Tons of steel melt, but a passport stays intact? haha

Try to catch fast moving object on slow F/S camera.
To the camera the plane is indeed a missile lol.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

Here's some curious stuff.

US government claims that one plane crashed into Pentagon.

Where's the plane? There's no plane, no sign of any parts of a plane in the crash site.

Here's a plane:









Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)
Rims found in building match those of a 757
Small turbine engine outside is an APU
Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine
Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos
Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo
Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211
Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes
Large diesel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object
Large diesel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon
60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by August

Smoke and mirrors. They're all lies invented by the conspiracy nuts. If you follow their quotes and citations they lead you nowhere.

But besides that.

No government with the power to covertly destroy buildings and murder thousands of their own people would need to go to such extreme and risky measures to achieve those objectives.

Nice!

[tater]

I'll go farther. Anyone believing is an idiot with a mental illness, and anyone even entertaining the notion is at the very least an idiot (if they switch to belief, they're ill).

Being unintelligent is pretty much required to look past the evidence, and belief requires either stunning stupidity, mental illness, or some combination.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by tater

I'll go farther. Anyone believing is an idiot with a mental illness, and anyone even entertaining the notion is at the very least an idiot (if they switch to belief, they're ill).

Being unintelligent is pretty much required to look past the evidence, and belief requires either stunning stupidity, mental illness, or some combination.

How dare you insult rosie o'donnell.