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Old 05-18-11, 11:48 PM   #16
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I hate taxes, but i'm gonna do these things anyway. You cant stop me!
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Old 05-19-11, 12:59 AM   #17
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I hate taxes. But I don't mind paying for 40% of them that go for our healthcare, infrastructure, emergency services...
I do mind the 60% that end up in someones pocket, be it a corrupt official, a businesman very close to a corupt official or a incompetent politician
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Old 05-19-11, 02:29 AM   #18
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Typical Liberal misinformation. Sure there are a handful of Right-Wing idjits who run the "hate taxes" bandwagon, but most of them are more centrist that you would think, and realize that taxes are a necessary evil. The problem isn't the taxes themselves, or the use they're put to. The problem is the attitude in Washington and a lot of states that taxes are a good thing. Let's call it Democrats who "love" taxes, and make the opposite argument. If taxes are as good as you think, why don't you just tax us all at 100%, set up whatever programs you think are important, and then give us what you think we need to live on?

Oh, but then you couldn't make fun of the people who "hate taxes".
For the win!

God love the people who believe they should give their money to other people to manage their lives for them. The drone class.
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Old 05-19-11, 12:53 PM   #19
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I can't even begin to guess how many of our alleged "problems" would go the hell away if we (collective "we", not 'Subsim we') would just stop reacting, and start pro-acting.

FFS, we are a nation that put a whole bunch of dudes on the MOON, once we decided to do it. We've played a gigantic part in creating the global telecommunications industry. We built THOUSANDS of tanks, ships, and aircraft in FOUR YEARS, coinciding with a WAR.

We are capable of some amazing displays of technical prowess, production capacity, and great courage. Or at least, we were. I'm beginning to wonder a little as I watch these succeeding generations growing up "kinder & gentler" and less willing to sweat.

It feels to me that we settle today for petty squabbling amongst ourselves over which political party is more corrupt or who's on what "reality television" program. We allow our "leaders" to create "laws" to protect us, when all we really need to protect ourselves is a little damned sense. We have far more important things to do than bicker and pick over the little picayune crap like that. We are involved in two major wars. We are in the throes of an economy struggling to recover. We face high unemployment and leaders who just don't seem to get it.

We need to stop looking to the Capitol & the Capital, and start looking at our schools, our towns, cities, communities - each other. We have only ourselves to blame for our choices, and we are the ones who must hold ourselves and each other accountable for the bad ones, and reward for the good ones. Right now, there's far too much pointing at someone else.

Which also means that it falls to ourselves and our communities to HELP each other back up again. If your neighbors' house is afire, are you going to stand there and gape, or are you going to get in the bucket brigade? We used to do that, y'know. Now, you call 911 and watch until the fire department and the press get there, then you give an interview.

It ain't all about "you," Sports fans. When enough people get that, we'll start moving forward again.

You want "change"? CHANGE the way YOU move through the world, rather than waiting for someone else to change the world to suit you.
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Old 05-19-11, 05:30 PM   #20
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It feels to me that we settle today for petty squabbling amongst ourselves over which political party is more corrupt...
That about sums this thread up.
Great rant btw Growler!
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Old 05-19-11, 05:36 PM   #21
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You know, I'm fine with taxes. I hate paying them, but I can live with it.

My beef is with overly high taxes. 20c per gallon gas tax is ridiculous in a town with a Ford Racing dragster shop, and where 20% of cars still take leaded gas (lots of classics in my area).

I don't want to pay for anyone else's health care or insurance. I want to pay my own way. Thats why America has worked for so long. People were perfectly content on living within their means, and, if they weren't, going back to school, or asking for a promotion, or starting their own business to change those means.

I also don't want to put in for the salaries of teachers with horrible records, that are still on the books because they got tenure.

Let me pay for what I use - because there's no damn way I'm going to pay for your crap and not put up a fuss about it.

I payed 43 percent of my income in taxes during my summer job, and I didn't even make over 1000 dollars.
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51. Do not run for public office. Politicians are paid with taxpayer dollars.
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Old 05-19-11, 06:56 PM   #23
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It would be easier to avoid going to Texas methinks
Always a sound strategy.

Friends don't let friends go to texas.
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