what is the problem. I have no problem with it , Ducimus seems to think there is a problem with discussing it.
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If they didn't it still would be complicated issue if not more so.
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Would it? or would it be less complicated or equally complicated?
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If you want to argue about it theologically than maybe you are right but it doesn't change the reality we live and things that need to be done.
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Since the thoughts and reasons are the basis of reality we live and the things that need to be done they are intrumental to all that changes or doesn't change.
You are missing out all the key steps.
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What is the purpose of your arguments to find out all possible ways that people justify themselves?
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If you don't find out as many justifications as you can you cannot make a reasoned arguement on the justifications...that is one area you often trip yourself up on when you do the Israeli version of USAUSAUSA

without even thinking.