No survivors

[Daniel Prates]

Ok, here's another possibily. It's another conclusion I extract from botched agent insertions.

What happens when you release an insertion raft before a full stop? The raft collides with your own submarine and gets destroyed, right? How it appears then? Like an empty raft! It does not sink or disappear. It is clear though that it has been destroyed, and I remember that in stock SH it even appears as a destroyed ship on the map.

Possibly the empty survirors raft appear like that - empty- because they, soon after being spawned by the ship's destruction, imediately collide agains the sinking carcass of their own ship and get destroyed in the process.

[Aviv]

Originally Posted by Daniel Prates

Possibly the empty survirors raft appear like that - empty- because they, soon after being spawned by the ship's destruction, imediately collide agains the sinking carcass of their own ship and get destroyed in the process.

Wow. I never thought about that. I think this is the best theory about it. But what about when they appear (sometimes not near the ship) in stormy weather? Does stormy weather destroy agent insertions too?

[Daniel Prates]

Who knows. Though close to perfect, the SH franchise is very buggy and some things are unexplainable, it seems.

[Daniel Prates]

Resurecting old thread here, since this discussion could be interesting, and it is in-topic: do you guys know this video...



... which appears to show american sub crewmen shooting at a japanese drifter (which seems to kill himself with a grenade)?

Is it bogus? the video is all edited-out, it's hard to beleive videos like these.

[Aviv]

Originally Posted by Daniel Prates

Resurecting old thread here, since this discussion could be interesting, and it is in-topic: do you guys know this video...



... which appears to show american sub crewmen shooting at a japanese drifter (which seems to kill himself with a grenade)?

Is it bogus? the video is all edited-out, it's hard to beleive videos like these.

Wow. From some of the shot angles they seem like stock footage, and it seems edited strangely too. The only consistent one seems to be where the sailor fires the M1928 Thompson. Besides that, you can see to the right of the Japanese you can see a guy with a M1911. Maybe it's taken away from context, and the Japanese was trying to throw his grenade into the submarine. In that situation, you have to shoot the guy. You can't let him risk your whole crew just to say "we can't kill him he's just a shipwrecked guy". But also at those distance (seems like less than 50M) it would be easy to kill him. Very interesting video, though. I guess that happened a lot in the Pacific.

[Dogfish40]

Video is bogus. This is one more piece of U-tube garbage that was floating around to turn public opinion against the U.S military in general. It doesn't even look the same from cut to cut, the sun is all wrong, the film looks differant from cut to cut. There must be at least three differant days here. It's obviously edited (and badly) and usually banned from this site.
I'm sorry this had to appear on this thread...
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[Stealhead]

It is bull---- someone just took some videos from some submariners pooping(er popping but that is so funny I will leave it) some rounds off for practice/fun and then took the clip of a Japanese pilot from a completely different clip to make it look like they shot him.The pilot who blows himself up with the hand grenade that was clearly filmed from a larger vessel than a sub.Someplace I have seen the true footage they where trying to save the guy and when they that he had the grenade they started to fire on him but there intent was to help the pilot he forced their hand.Someplace there is footage of the sub guys with the Tommy and BAR in the true footage they a killing only water.

The truth is that many subs (US Navy) actually would take POWs if they found Japanese willing to be picked(of course with great caution) you could gather a lot of good intel from these people.It was also common to find refugees on the water trying to get away form Japanese occupied areas he there is a picture out there of the Wahoo aiding one of these boats.The idea that US Navy subs went around killing Japanese in the water is simply not true for the most part.

Sorry it just really pisses me off this kind of thing granted in wars men on all sides do bad things but it is never our policy unlike the then Japanese military who killed and raped thousands of Chinese and brutally treated their POWs so and so forth.

I bought a book from a former US Army solider about his time in the Batan Death March and being a POW called "Hells Guest" that was selling his book at the USS Alabama park in Mobile a few years back While they where being marched along a Filipino woman who was pregnant came up to give an American water for this a Japanese solider killed the American and cut the woman stomach open and the baby inside they then told the little girl to walk away when she did they shot her in the back but everyone ignores the clearly documented horrors that the Japanese military did by and large as standard operating procedure.I am not saying that all WWII era Japanese people and even soldiers where bad but such things where not frowned upon in the slightest.

Japanese are officially taught a complete lie about WWII and learn nothing about what their government did to the Chinese,Koreans and other Asian people they also learn nothing about how they treated POWs they learn a lie in their favor that make the US look bad.I know this because one of my friends his wife is an Okinawan Japanese she is a truly a Ryukian but they go to Japanese schools and are Japaneses citizens they don't really trust mainland Japanese and that goes way back to ancient times.In the end the Japanese reaped what they had sown in the 20's,30's,and 40's at the end of the war.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Daniel Prates

Resurecting old thread here, since this discussion could be interesting, and it is in-topic: do you guys know this video...



... which appears to show american sub crewmen shooting at a japanese drifter (which seems to kill himself with a grenade)?

Is it bogus? the video is all edited-out, it's hard to beleive videos like these.

I'd take any youtube clip promoting shocking unseen historical footage with a dose of salt. That's not to say there aren't legitimate historical youtube clips, but there are a lot of nutters out there with a personal agenda on all points of the political map.

I believe Mush Morton was involved in one very serious incident of gunning down shipwrecked men in small boats, believing them Japanese troops bound for New Guinea. In sad fact, they were mainly Indian POWs of 2nd Battalion, 16th Punjab Regiment, plus escorting forces from the 26th Field Ordnance Depot. I don't think anyone filmed it though.

[Stealhead]

[/QUOTE]I believe Mush Morton was involved in one very serious incident of gunning down shipwrecked men in small boats, believing them Japanese troops bound for New Guinea. In sad fact, they were mainly Indian POWs of 2nd Battalion, 16th Punjab Regiment, plus escorting forces from the 26th Field Ordnance Depot. I don't think anyone filmed it though.[/QUOTE]


There is much argument about what really happened in this "incident" so no one can honestly say what Mortons intent was or what happened(there are several different versions) O'Kane says that they only fired on the boats and any person that fired on the Wahoo also it was a Japanses claim that Indian POWs where on the boat so take that with a grain of salt.

Personally I do not trust Wikipedia as a definitive source anyone can place anything they want on an article there and unless someone who truly knows has it changed it will be there.

[TheAbyss]

No survivors! Damn right.

Gun 'em, then gun 'em again till you're sure they're burley for the sharks.

It's more humane anyway for most of the ships I've sunk (middle of relatively nowhere, a salvo of fish on one side; no chance of getting a signal out).

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by Daniel Prates

Resurecting old thread here, since this discussion could be interesting, and it is in-topic: do you guys know this video...



... which appears to show american sub crewmen shooting at a japanese drifter (which seems to kill himself with a grenade)?

Is it bogus? the video is all edited-out, it's hard to beleive videos like these.

It just so happens that, not only have I seen this video, and once almost believed it, I have since accumulated quite a collection of WWII Documentaries on DVD. I have, in it's entirety, the actual footage of that Japanese sailor blowing himself up with a hand grenade. I also have some of the other sections of that footage in it's entirety. In the actual footage, no U.S. sailor is shooting at, or attempting to shoot at him. They were trying earnestly to rescue him. He just blew himself up in the long standing (well documented), time honored, tradition of the Japanese soldier/sailor whose sacred belief would be to die, rather than be taken prisoner.

That YouTube video is a heavily doctored video, spliced and pieced together in order to deceive. The saddest part of all is that (as we've seen) there are those who will automatically believe such rubbish (probably due to a predisposition) simply because some unknown entity/factor posted it on the web. IMO, it just goes to show one of the susceptibilities that can occur when History is forgotten. Then, we just believe what anyone tells us because we don't know (the truth) otherwise.

[Daniel Prates]

Quite right.