Bin Laden is dead, official

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by tater

Anyone who would be offended by an OBL death image I'm not at all concerned about. Bringing whack jobs out of the woodwork to be killed is in fact a good thing.

What is your address anyway, tater?

So the armchair Warriors who play stuff like Black Ops know it all.


What happens in Games is not how it happens in Real Life!
You don't get a do over if you get killed!

In a split second one must make a decision that provides the outcome
of any armed engagement.

Those that stormed that Compound were not ArmChair Generals!
They are HIGHLY trained experts at what they do!

That level of commitment and training is beyond what any News person,
CryBaby, or PC ArseHole could ever comprehend.

He is DEAD! Get over it and quite the BS!!
Now lets go and eradicate the rest of those SOBS!!

I'd even go so far as to tell them
"We don't want you alive!"
"We ARE going to hunt you down and blow your head off!"

[Jimbuna]

There is just one thing I don't get about this whole Bin Laden story...

If he had about 7 wives, how was his house such a mess?

[geetrue]

Perhaps we should start treating the news like we do new video games and wait for the first patch ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/us...aden.html?_r=1

The new details suggested that the raid, though chaotic and bloody, was extremely one-sided, with a force of more than 20 Navy Seal members quickly dispatching the handful of men protecting Bin Laden.
Administration officials said that the only shots fired by those in the compound came at the beginning of the operation, when Bin Laden’s trusted courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, opened fire from behind the door of the guesthouse adjacent to the house where Bin Laden was hiding.
After the Seal members shot and killed Mr. Kuwaiti and a woman in the guesthouse, the Americans were never fired upon again.
This account differs from an official version of events issued by the Pentagon on Tuesday, and read by the White House spokesman, Jay Carney, which said the Seal members “were engaged in a firefight throughout the operation.”
In a television interview on PBS on Tuesday, Leon E. Panetta, the director of the C.I.A., said, “There were some firefights that were going on as these guys were making their way up the staircase of that compound.”
Administration officials said the official account of events has changed over the course of the week because it has taken time to get thorough after-action reports from the Seal team. And, they added, because the Special Operations troops had been fired upon as soon as they touched down in the compound, they were under the assumption that everyone inside was armed.
“They were in a threatening and hostile environment the entire time,” one American official said.
When the commandos moved into the main house, they saw the courier’s brother, who they believed was preparing to fire a weapon. They shot and killed him. Then, as they made their way up the stairs of the house, officials said they killed Bin Laden’s son Khalid as he lunged toward the Seal team.
When the commandos reached the top floor, they entered a room and saw Osama bin Laden with an AK-47 and a Makarov pistol in arm’s reach. They shot and killed him, as well as wounding a woman with him.
The firefight over and Bin Laden dead, the team found a trove of information and had the time to remove much of it: about 100 thumb drives, DVDs and computer disks, along with 10 computer hard drives and 5 computers. There were also piles of paper documents in the house.
The White House declined to release any additional details about the operation, saying that further information would jeopardize the military’s ability to conduct clandestine operations in the future. The administration’s reticence came after it was forced on Tuesday to correct parts of its initial account of the raid, including assertions that Bin Laden had used his wife as a “human shield.”
“We’ve revealed a lot of information; we’ve been as forthcoming with facts as we can be,” Mr. Carney said.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

There is just one thing I don't get about this whole Bin Laden story...

If he had about 7 wives, how was his house such a mess?

Yes indeed where were they ... it was a bloody mess

[Growler]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Perhaps we should start treating the news like we do new video games and wait for the first patch ...

...and the second... and the update to the second... and the enhanced update to the update to the second... and the third...

Oh, wait... I'm sorry. I thought we were playing the Microsoft Game.

[tater]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Releasing the photo only accomplishes placating the skeptical. It would serve no other purpose. The skeptical will still be skeptical of the photos as well. It is a waste of good bandwidth.

AVG, something can be a good idea, but still not be appropriate. Given the 1st amendment, and the FOIA, the onus is on the government (as it should be) to demonstrate why such otherwise public domain information should be held back. "Because they say so" isn't good enough.

I could be convinced that not publishing was the best thing, and still think that the government cannot hold the images back regardless.

What can they claim the reason is to NOT publish them? National security? That would basically require saying that we must censor any speech in the US that might offend muslims. That pretty much shuts up the entire society, because virtually everything offends muslims. So national security is off the table. Since they can redact any parts of an image that might contain, say, a classified weapon, or document next to the carcass, that won't cut it, either. There is basically no possible rationale for not publishing the images other than possibly "good sense." Good sense isn't enough, though, constitutionally.

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by tater

AVG, something can be a good idea, but still not be appropriate. Given the 1st amendment, and the FOIA, the onus is on the government (as it should be) to demonstrate why such otherwise public domain information should be held back. "Because they say so" isn't good enough.

I could be convinced that not publishing was the best thing, and still think that the government cannot hold the images back regardless.

What can they claim the reason is to NOT publish them? National security? That would basically require saying that we must censor any speech in the US that might offend muslims. That pretty much shuts up the entire society, because virtually everything offends muslims. So national security is off the table. Since they can redact any parts of an image that might contain, say, a classified weapon, or document next to the carcass, that won't cut it, either. There is basically no possible rationale for not publishing the images other than possibly "good sense." Good sense isn't enough, though, constitutionally.

Well put.

There is basically no possible rationale for not publishing the images other than possibly "good sense." Good sense isn't enough, though, constitutionally.

So you realise it may be good sense to not do something but want to do it anyway because you think an old piece of paper doesn't say you can't so you should

[UnderseaLcpl]

Dang! Late to the party again! Stupid work.


I'm not here to argue with anyone or comment on the building political crapstorm over this issue or offer shouldas or wouldas or couldas. I'm sure I'll get around to that later. I'm just here to say that when I heard of Bin Laden's death it felt like a great weight had been lifted off of my shoulders, in a personal sense. I wasn't even a part of the effort to find him, other than in the broader sense of the war on terror, but knowing that he is dead gives me a sense of mission accomplishment, and it is a great feeling.

I also want to give credit where credit is due. As much as I dislike Obama and consider him a socialist, he was the guy who made the call and I respect him for that. He came through for America and the world at a time when it really mattered and didn't wimp out because Pakistan would whine about it. Nice work, Chief

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So you realise it may be good sense to not do something but want to do it anyway because you think an old piece of paper doesn't say you can't so you should

The Constitution is a great "old piece of paper" (actually hide, it's on parchment (drafts were hemp paper)). Yes, it can trump what might seem like short term "good sense" in the name of long-term better sense.

The precedent would allow a President to unilaterally disallow publishing ANYTHING. That should be easy to see. Note that the people in the admin (and their willing allies in the press) have been nodding to presidential power where just a few years ago they were ignoring powerful "good sense" arguments put by a different president to not publish details of counter-terrorism programs, etc.

[MothBalls]

UN questions U.S. on legality of bin Laden killing

Steven Edwards, Postmedia News

Published: Tuesday, May 03, 2011
UNITED NATIONS - The UN's chief human rights official led calls by rights activist organizations on Tuesday for Washington to explain whether U.S. forces lawfully killed Osama bin Laden.

If I may, I'd like to offer some American sayings response to this dribble......


"tough chit, whatcha gonna do about it?"

"and you're point is?"

"sorry, our bad"

"If I thought that was any of your ----ing business, I would have told you already"

and in parting I would just like to add......

"Fuk with the bull, you'll get the horns"

[MothBalls]

If anything, his death should prove one thing about America.

Come on our soil, kill innocent women, children, citizens..... we don't care how long it takes or how much it costs, you can kiss your ass goodbye.

[Skybird]

German TV yesterday revealed how they got track of Bin Laden: it was his playstation account.

Serious, more news get leaked saying that the operaiton has run very differently and that there was no serious resitence. Just one man shot back and was soon killed, sources inside the government say who want to stay anonymous because they are not authorized to reveal this info, they say. Not that it reallky matters, but why this suzicidal crisscrossing of the adminstration about the operation?

And why not showing the evidence for BL's death that would end all speculation?

Both together just adds to the smell. Get rid of that smell now, Obama. Once the conspriuacy theory has been turned into modern myths, all chances are gone to ever kill it by the roots.

Interesting article you linked, August. Far more believable than the clean and smooth stories they have told so far, and corrected, and withdrawn and replaced.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Skybird

nd why not showing the evidence for BL's death that would end all speculation?

Apparently, Obama's stance is that it isn't our job to prove that bin Laden is dead. It's bin Laden's job to prove that he is alive.

Seriously, I do find it interesting that, according those who monitor radical Islamic blogs and websites there seems to be little doubt of his death giving the rage, martyrdom and revenge mode they've gone into to. Having a wife and a child confirming his death seem to be enough for them. The play-both-sides-of the-fence Pakistani intelligence organization might have a hand in the confirming it to them as well.