Bin Laden is dead, official

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by krashkart

By golly, this is shaping up to be a real mess, isn't it? The conspiracy theories will definitely live on for many generations after this.

Sure wish the White House would make up their minds and settle on one solid account of what really happened.

Indeed. Why the sudden change of story? That's what fuels the conspiracy nuts. Like with 9/11, small details changed over time and conspiracy guys jumped right at them.

Just release the video of the raid, or atleast the photo. There's no sense in keeping them so to not piss of the muslims. Osama's supporters are already pissed I would think.

[tater]

It's gonna come out anyway. Congress critters have seen them, an FOIA will happen.

[August]

http://socyberty.com/issues/white-ho...ama-bin-laden/

I don't know how true any of this is but if so it's downright scary:

The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault.

This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates.

The following day, and with Panetta’s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president’s full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president’s indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order.

At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by August

http://socyberty.com/issues/white-ho...ama-bin-laden/

I don't know how true any of this is but if so it's downright scary:

I read about something similar that happened during the JFK administration. I think it was regarding an attempt on the life of the then-president of South Vietnam. JFK didn't know what was going on until after the fact -- and once he found out he was really, really upset about it. His staff had managed to get his approval over the phone without actually telling him what they were up to. Sneaky buggers.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Which in itself was a nod to Call of Duty Modern Warfare 1 and 2 if im not mistaken.

Originally Posted by Platapus

Also the series Rainbow Six used that term.

Its also used IRL. Tango means "Target". The Brits at one time used the term "X-Ray" but switched to "Tango" at some point.

Originally Posted by August

http://socyberty.com/issues/white-ho...ama-bin-laden/

I don't know how true any of this is but if so it's downright scary:

In the space of a day this changed from Patriot Games to Clear and Present Danger.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Its also used IRL. Tango means "Target". The Brits at one time used the term "X-Ray" but switched to "Tango" at some point.

I figured Tango meant target. Tango is part of the phonetic alphabet after all. I didn't want to assume it was term used in the real world because i saw it used in a video game. A better assumption was the game designers made it up because it "sounds military".

[AdeptCharge]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I figured Tango meant target. Tango is part of the phonetic alphabet after all. I didn't want to assume it was term used in the real world

A-Hem, No you are incorrect, you did assume and do not specify clearly, if I may, Tango Is a (word) used within in the phonetic alphabet, to wit - a word with various terms ie form of dance, can be used in verbal altercation etc

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by August

http://socyberty.com/issues/white-ho...ama-bin-laden/

I don't know how true any of this is but if so it's downright scary:

I wonder too about how true this is too.

All of the news stations reported that Obama gave the order for the attack plan to proceed on Friday before he left with his family to see the tornado disaster in Alabama on his way to the see the shuttle launch.

I remember Obama's reluctance to take out the pirates and the many delayed comments of other problems in the world, but not this one.

He wanted OBL bad plus he had instructed everyone to go after him as soon as he became president.

Rambo Obama was the winner

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by geetrue

I wonder too about how true this is too.

All of the news stations reported that Obama gave the order for the attack plan to proceed on Friday before he left with his family to see the tornado disaster in Alabama on his way to the see the shuttle launch.

I remember Obama's reluctance to take out the pirates and the many delayed comments of other problems in the world, but not this one.

He wanted OBL bad plus he had instructed everyone to go after him as soon as he became president.

Rambo Obama was the winner

Or that's the after story spin? Truth is we will never know.

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Or that's the after story spin? Truth is we will never know.

I think we will have a good idea when the leaks start. There will be quite a few people who have relevent facts about this. It will be hard to shut everyone up. If we find out there was good intel that UBL was there, well before the raid, this will show Obama dithered. There would be no good reason for delay, and a high risk he would move to another location, and the oportunity lost. It's not like it would take the SEALs weeks to figure out how to assault a building.

[krashkart]

The Dalai Lama weighs in:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...ustified?sc=tw

Originally Posted by Dowly

Indeed. Why the sudden change of story? That's what fuels the conspiracy nuts.

There was a UFO captured at Roswell.
No! It was a weather balloon.
What about the bodies?
Oh, those were only dummies.

How do you keep the population occupied?
Throw a heaping bunch of BS in a pot and let the Media stir it for awhile.

That takes attention away from REAL problems.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by privateer

There was a UFO captured at Roswell.
No! It was a weather balloon.
What about the bodies?
Oh, those were only dummies.

How do you keep the population occupied?
Throw a heaping bunch of BS in a pot and let the Media stir it for awhile.

That takes attention away from REAL problems.

You are quite right there, Sir.

I just don't understand it in this particular case. Osama wasn't the "snake's head", so why on earth keep the secrecy.

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On another note, it's amazing how many fake "osama dead photos" there are out there, I've counted 4 so far. And some of them are viruses, so don't open the stuff.
Oh, and one of them is a picture of a nightivision view of a US soldier kneelin over "headshot Osama", it's fake too.

Just to keep you awake, lots of viruses going around with "The Real Osama Dead Picture" etc. as title.

It'll leak sooner or later to one of the gore sites, I'm sure.