Bin Laden is dead, official - Page 20

Gerald · 05-03-11, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

W-w-woot...??
Oh my, pardon...!?

I must admit I have no clue of what you try to say here!

So, you talked about a possible "debate" on the subject in question and I mentioned just one example, no big deal

MaddogK · 05-03-11, 04:15 PM

Yup, as posted #246, Bin Laden been executed.

Ducimus · 05-03-11, 04:49 PM

I dont understand why they are changing details of the account of the raid, or why the feel compelled to change the story at all. If someone shot the raghead in his pajama's, then say so the first time around.

Jimbuna · 05-03-11, 04:53 PM

Latest news on BBC tv say his wife was initially shot in the leg to prevent her shielding him then he was shot once in the chest and once in the head (whilst unarmed).

longam · 05-03-11, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I dont understand why they are changing details of the account of the raid, or why the feel compelled to change the story at all. If someone shot the raghead in his pajama's, then say so the first time around.

With the 24/7 media channels now they have gone over the edge on trying to fill the void of time they have on air. Its sad really.

05-03-11, 05:27 PM

It's all been recorded.
Just release the videos!

If his woman jumped in front of him to protect him?
I would have shot throught her!
Sorry about your luck Witch but I'm going home alive!
If he resisted in any way?
Sorry about your luck, take a few bullets ArseHole!

I don't see Obama as any big Hero in this.
Whoever was in charge at this moment would have gotten credit anyway.
Bush, Lincoln, Nixon.
It don't matter in the actual facts.

The Richard Cranium is DEAD!!
That is all that matters.

Now let's go and do the same for all the others.

Skybird · 05-03-11, 05:51 PM

I assume it is a safe bet that this was a kill mission, no capture mission. Just imagine the hassle at home and around the world, the media fire, the political correctness and human rights bombardement if he would have been taken alive. The discussions on how to deal with him legally. Endless rounds and rounds of debate and expertises. Why giving him this last final triumph and make him the on and on star of the media for months to come?

No, it is better the way it was done: go in, kill him, get rid of the body at sea, job done, game over, file closed, be back in time for early breakfast, period.

If he is really dea, the b etter it is. Dog doesn't balk and bite again - nice for all and everybody. Now hunt and slay the other dogs of the pack. That would be time better spent than endlessly discussing how to deal with Bin Laden at court.

yubba · 05-03-11, 06:07 PM

One could hope that the funeral, consisted, of a wood chipper on the fan tail and a couple of pounds of bacon to cleanse the wood chipper.

tater · 05-03-11, 06:58 PM

The administration is so very amateurish in how they are dealing with this. The story keeps changing. Seems like they had time to get a reliable after action report before going into any specifics. I don't think it's nefarious, when in doubt, assume incompetence.

They are now basically saying it was a kill mission unless OBL raised his arms to surrender. I say release everything. I had to watch people deciding that jumping from the towers was the better option live that morning. Watching some jihadis get whacked is nothing compared to that.

I think it's clear that they could have had him alive had they wanted. He would have been far more useful interrogated (using any means demonstrated to be effective). Since the administration is very on record being against any form of interrogation past the dreaded "comfy chair," and, he was unlikely to be Mirandized by Seals, killing him was the best option.

The biggest surprise, IMHO, was going public so fast. Seems like having grabbed up computers, etc, they should have tried to roll up some other high value targets before they knew the boss was compromised.

August · 05-03-11, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

I assume it is a safe bet that this was a kill mission, no capture mission. Just imagine the hassle at home and around the world, the media fire, the political correctness and human rights bombardement if he would have been taken alive. The discussions on how to deal with him legally. Endless rounds and rounds of debate and expertises. Why giving him this last final triumph and make him the on and on star of the media for months to come?

No, it is better the way it was done: go in, kill him, get rid of the body at sea, job done, game over, file closed, be back in time for early breakfast, period.

If he is really dea, the b etter it is. Dog doesn't balk and bite again - nice for all and everybody. Now hunt and slay the other dogs of the pack. That would be time better spent than endlessly discussing how to deal with Bin Laden at court.

We don't always agree Skybird but I think you are spot on here.

Bakkels · 05-03-11, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

The administration is so very amateurish in how they are dealing with this. The story keeps changing. Seems like they had time to get a reliable after action report before going into any specifics. I don't think it's nefarious, when in doubt, assume incompetence.

The biggest surprise, IMHO, was going public so fast. Seems like having grabbed up computers, etc, they should have tried to roll up some other high value targets before they knew the boss was compromised.

Yes well that got me thinking. Do you really think that the administration didn't come up with all those things you just mentioned there?
It's not quantumphysics, it's just logical reasoning. And if you like the guys in office or you don't, I think we can agree that they're quite a bit more intelligent than the average guy. So to me it seems they there's no way they didn't think of this.
I'm not making any point here though, it's just an observation. I have no idea why they handled the case the way that they did, but I'm sure they thought about everything you just said there.

Armistead · 05-03-11, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by August

We don't always agree Skybird but I think you are spot on here.

I'm sure they did say surrender as they were taking aim.

"Surrender Osama"
"I surrender"

Voice recognition software starts buzzing...ding "Match"

bam bam bam...

tater · 05-03-11, 08:16 PM

No, I think they jump to talk to the camera, and are willing to backtrack. Backtracking is a bad idea, IMHO. Better to get it right the first time.

Doing what they are doing on purpose implies some sort of bizarre "conspiracy" (to mislead) on their part that I think is silly. I just think they are disorganized. The 24 hour news cycle makes it worse, since every single little statement is instantly glommed onto. More reason to be precise the first time if you are capable of that level of organization.

tater · 05-03-11, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armistead

I'm sure they did say surrender as they were taking aim.

"Surrender Osama"
"I surrender"

Voice recognition software starts buzzing...ding "Match"

bam bam bam...

Nah, one guys yells: "HANDS IN THE AIR! NOW!!!!"

Other yells "DON'T MOVE A MUSCLE!!!!"

Repeat a few times, then both shoot as the perp decides to move his hands up to get shot, or freeze to get shot.

August · 05-03-11, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Nah, one guys yells: "HANDS IN THE AIR! NOW!!!!"

Other yells "DON'T MOVE A MUSCLE!!!!"

Repeat a few times, then both shoot as the perp decides to move his hands up to get shot, or freeze to get shot.

I prefer to think that the last thing Osama heard was "Uncle Sam says hello."

05-03-11, 04:15 PM	#287
MaddogK XO Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago, Ill. Posts: 409 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Yup, as posted #246, Bin Laden been executed. __________________ May fortune favor the foolish

05-03-11, 04:53 PM	#289
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,742 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Latest news on BBC tv say his wife was initially shot in the leg to prevent her shielding him then he was shot once in the chest and once in the head (whilst unarmed). __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-03-11, 05:51 PM	#292
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,680 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I assume it is a safe bet that this was a kill mission, no capture mission. Just imagine the hassle at home and around the world, the media fire, the political correctness and human rights bombardement if he would have been taken alive. The discussions on how to deal with him legally. Endless rounds and rounds of debate and expertises. Why giving him this last final triumph and make him the on and on star of the media for months to come? No, it is better the way it was done: go in, kill him, get rid of the body at sea, job done, game over, file closed, be back in time for early breakfast, period. If he is really dea, the b etter it is. Dog doesn't balk and bite again - nice for all and everybody. Now hunt and slay the other dogs of the pack. That would be time better spent than endlessly discussing how to deal with Bin Laden at court. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-03-11, 06:58 PM	#294
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The administration is so very amateurish in how they are dealing with this. The story keeps changing. Seems like they had time to get a reliable after action report before going into any specifics. I don't think it's nefarious, when in doubt, assume incompetence. They are now basically saying it was a kill mission unless OBL raised his arms to surrender. I say release everything. I had to watch people deciding that jumping from the towers was the better option live that morning. Watching some jihadis get whacked is nothing compared to that. I think it's clear that they could have had him alive had they wanted. He would have been far more useful interrogated (using any means demonstrated to be effective). Since the administration is very on record being against any form of interrogation past the dreaded "comfy chair," and, he was unlikely to be Mirandized by Seals, killing him was the best option. The biggest surprise, IMHO, was going public so fast. Seems like having grabbed up computers, etc, they should have tried to roll up some other high value targets before they knew the boss was compromised. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

05-03-11, 08:16 PM	#298
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	No, I think they jump to talk to the camera, and are willing to backtrack. Backtracking is a bad idea, IMHO. Better to get it right the first time. Doing what they are doing on purpose implies some sort of bizarre "conspiracy" (to mislead) on their part that I think is silly. I just think they are disorganized. The 24 hour news cycle makes it worse, since every single little statement is instantly glommed onto. More reason to be precise the first time if you are capable of that level of organization. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine Last edited by tater; 05-03-11 at 08:31 PM.

05-03-11, 04:49 PM	#288
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I dont understand why they are changing details of the account of the raid, or why the feel compelled to change the story at all. If someone shot the raghead in his pajama's, then say so the first time around.

05-03-11, 05:27 PM	#291
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	It's all been recorded. Just release the videos! If his woman jumped in front of him to protect him? I would have shot throught her! Sorry about your luck Witch but I'm going home alive! If he resisted in any way? Sorry about your luck, take a few bullets ArseHole! I don't see Obama as any big Hero in this. Whoever was in charge at this moment would have gotten credit anyway. Bush, Lincoln, Nixon. It don't matter in the actual facts. The Richard Cranium is DEAD!! That is all that matters. Now let's go and do the same for all the others.

05-03-11, 06:07 PM	#293
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	One could hope that the funeral, consisted, of a wood chipper on the fan tail and a couple of pounds of bacon to cleanse the wood chipper.