Donald Trump made Obama release his birth certificate

joegrundman · 04-28-11, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Y'know I've always believed that Obama was born in the US like he and the State of Hawaii have said he was, and I still do, but I have to wonder why he has at this late date finally decided to release the original?

It seems to me that this just shows a lack of good judgment on his part.

He could have put this whole thing to bed years ago, long before it became entrenched. That would have been the smartest thing to do. But now having allowed so much time to pass it serves no purpose except to make people doubt it's authenticity.

Imagine if the Bush administration had released film footage it had been sitting on for three years which showed without a doubt that it was Flight 77, and not a missile, that plowed into the Pentagon on 9-11. Think any of those inside job conspiracy theorists would believe it? Think it's possible that a few on the fencers might become suspicious at the tardiness of it's release?

I do NOT doubt that Obama is qualified to be President but I now have a little less confidence in his ability to be a good President.

The birther movement was a free gift for Obama and the democrats. The sheer looniness of them has tarnished the republicans as a whole.

What was it napoleon said? Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.

Furthermore it amounts to what in British politics is known as a Hefalump trap, after the whinny the pooh story. Which is an easily noticeable and with hindsight perfectly obvious trap intended to catch a blundering opponent.

That is, Trump should have seen this coming when he decided to so vocally join the birther bandwagon and simultaneously make a bid for president, and now the trap is sprung and Trump is standing with his pants down, so to speak.

Judge the effectiveness yourself. Would you say Trump's chance of getting nominated for presidential candidate (and then winning) is higher or lower than it was this time last week?

August · 04-28-11, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

The birther movement was a free gift for Obama and the democrats. The sheer looniness of them has tarnished the republicans as a whole.

Yet apparently not enough to stop the GoP from regaining the House last year so i'm not too sure about that.

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Judge the effectiveness yourself. Would you say Trump's chance of getting nominated for presidential candidate (and then winning) is higher or lower than it was this time last week?

He never had a chance to get the nomination Joe. This didn't change anything one way or the other.

joegrundman · 04-28-11, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Yet apparently not enough to stop the GoP from regaining the House last year so i'm not too sure about that.

He never had a chance to get the nomination Joe. This didn't change anything one way or the other.

hah! well fair enough, specially the latter!

August · 04-28-11, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

hah! well fair enough, specially the latter!

I will admit that the thought of "President Trump" scares the bejesus out of me!

Bakkels · 04-28-11, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by August

I will admit that the thought of "President Trump" scares the bejesus out of me!

He would probably rename the White House the Trump House.
Airforce One would become Airforce Trump, New York would become New Trump; it would all become really confusing

Rockstar · 04-28-11, 07:44 AM

Takeda Shingen · 04-28-11, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Hmm. Okay, I'll admit to finding that one even a bit too esoteric for me.

Penguin · 04-28-11, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bakkels

He would probably rename the White House the Trump House.
Airforce One would become Airforce Trump, New York would become New Trump; it would all become really confusing

at least we would still be able to play card games and certain brass instruments...

August · 04-28-11, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguin

at least we would still be able to play card games and certain brass instruments...

"My President Trumps your President!"

04-30-11, 01:47 AM

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You now change MY wording to indicate a different meaning and claim I said it.

WRONG !

<expletive deleted>

So the root of this is.

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By some of your definitions of 'citizen' they'll be eligible because they were born on our side of some line on a map. Natural born by definition means born of 2 citizen parents.

A citizen due to being born on your side of a line on a map....that fits.
2 parents for natural born....thats bollox.
Then it diverges into being born on the other side of your line which is irrelevant unless you are a birther who believes it was kenya indonesia or krypton in which case it is really irrelevant.
then it comes to the conditions needed for the parents if the irrevant stuff happened top be real which it isn't so that is irrelevant unless you are a birther who thinks your president cmes from somewhere else.
So the initial claim by Maddog was indeed bollox and all the attempts since then are really irrelvant to the status of a person being born on your side of the line.
Hey do the math 14+5=19 or in reality look at the numbers...what was the date

MaddogK · 05-02-11, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

So the root of this is.

A citizen due to being born on your side of a line on a map....that fits.

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2 parents for natural born....thats bollox.

http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/nat...n_defined.html

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Then it diverges into being born on the other side of your line which is irrelevant unless you are a birther who believes it was kenya indonesia or krypton in which case it is really irrelevant.
then it comes to the conditions needed for the parents if the irrevant stuff happened top be real which it isn't so that is irrelevant unless you are a birther who thinks your president cmes from somewhere else.
So the initial claim by Maddog was indeed bollox and all the attempts since then are really irrelvant to the status of a person being born on your side of the line.

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Hey do the math 14+5=19 or in reality look at the numbers...what was the date

Stanley Ann Dunham (November 29, 1942 – November 7, 1995)
Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961

DarkFish · 05-02-11, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaddogK

http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/nat...n_defined.html

"might [...] imply"
"has always been obscure due to the lack of any single authoritative source"
"might have meant"
"Could"
"might"

All your source confirms is that it's something pretty much undefined, which makes all your claims bollox.

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