North American Union? - Page 2

Penguin · 04-22-11, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

According to

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

In Canada about 2.5 people per 100,000
In the US we are about 10 people per 100,000

In both countries guns are used more for suicide than for homicide

bad statistic, as they graphic only displays the percentage of legal gun ownership. Even that looks wrong, in Switzerland everybody who served in the military has his rifle at home (ammo is controlled).
For Europe you can certainly double the numbers. As I said in the other thread, illegal ownership is 20% here (this includes legal owners who have too many or non-registered weapons)

Fish In The Water · 04-22-11, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

...why on earth would we want to join the US?

Btw I am in Miami sipping a beer as I write this.

Then you've already answered yourself...

Obviously for the good weather!

Stealhead · 04-23-11, 01:01 AM

"illegal ownership is 20% here (this includes legal owners who have too many or non-registered weapons)"

How can you expect a stat about anything illegal to be accurate? At best a stat on something that is illegal and not tracked as something legal like legally owning a gun would be the only thing to go on would be those caught violating the law and basically just guessing from there.

Maybe they have better statisticians in Germany I just dont see how they can say that the level is 20% and you say that this includes legal owners who have too many guns how much of that 20% are they?All I can say is that I was stationed near Kaiserslaughtern Germany for almost 3 years and I did not hear of any violent crimes involving a gun in that area when I was there and several German nationals worked for my unit and the military kept us informed about local criminal activity.

Interesting that so many people kill them selves with guns though. I guess people do it that way because it seems most reliable and painless which it is I'd guess but people do survive even head shoots. MY dentist told me once when he did his required hospital time years ago that some guy came in the ER who had shoot himself in the mouth(with the barrel up towards his brain) it was a .32 cal bullet and it hit one of his molars blew it apart and bounced up and hit the roof of his mouth and broke his "roof of the mouth bone" the pallet I guess they call it.Of course if they did not have a gun on hand theyd have done the deed with something else.

joegrundman · 04-23-11, 02:00 AM

from a position o pure viability: for canada to become incorporated into a new united states, it would be a walk in the park. Economically, politically, everything would work out with the minimum of fuss and only incremental changes.

For mexico to join would permanently alter the economic and political structure of the rest of north america in short order.

What is in fact to gain from this? For anyone?

Let alone the disadvantages for the US and Canada, Mexico's oligarchs would be obliged to live with US anti-trust and anti corruption laws! I'd like to see them ratify that!

Bilge_Rat · 04-23-11, 06:24 AM

Canada and the US are already very integrated. They share a similar language, culture, political system. The free trade agreement signed 20 years ago already broke down most trade barriers. The Canadian and US government closely coordinate their economic and financial policy. Canadians can enter the US at anytime for business or pleasure with minimal hassles (same for Americans coming to Canada).

Going all the way to a more formal union would be difficult politically and would not yield much more economic benefits.

Mexico is a different case altogether. Canadian and US businesses love using the low cost labour, but no one wants to see millions of Mexicans being able to move with no restrictions to Canada or the US.

Platapus · 04-23-11, 06:52 AM

Tom Brokaw explains Canada to Americans

A very nice piece

Who here remembers Operation Yellow Ribbon?

I wager not many

Rockstar · 04-23-11, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I don't see how this could benefit the US

I guess we would get unlimited and easy access to back bacon, donuts, smokes and beer.

Platapus · 04-23-11, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

I guess we would get unlimited and easy access to back bacon, donuts, smokes and beer.

And her

Bilge_Rat · 04-23-11, 07:57 AM

Canada has always backed up the US since WW2, even siding with the US against Britain and France in the 56 Suez crisis. the only time we did not go along was....Vietnam and Iraq. Maybe you guys should listen to us more often...

Platapus · 04-23-11, 07:58 AM

Lets not forget Iran 1980 either, another thing we have Canada to thank.

Rockstar · 04-23-11, 08:07 AM

Oh Canada

Every time we visited we were treated like old friends by their Navy and Coast Guard.

When we would transit through the Detroit River in the early 80's it was amazing to see the difference between Detroit and Windsor. On one side a war zone on the other a quiet and clean city park.

Armistead · 04-23-11, 12:01 PM

I see a northern movement, mexicans take over the US, we move into Canada....I have a friend that lost his job in construction, a former cop, got on with the border patrol. He did that for less than a year, said it's a war that they can't fight and not worth the pay.

MothBalls · 04-23-11, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rilder

Can we have Canada's Government?

Can't, they don't have one.

Quote:

Canadian lawmakers vote to dissolve government, call elections

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americ...no.confidence/

Quote:

(CNN) -- Canada's House of Commons voted 156-145 on Friday on a no-confidence resolution aimed at the Conservative government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper, triggering the dissolution of Parliament and elections in the next few weeks.

Platapus · 04-23-11, 12:58 PM

Wish we had the ability to vote no-confidence in the US. But if we did, we would be doing that every other week.

DarkFish · 04-23-11, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MothBalls

Can't, they don't have one.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americ...no.confidence/

You might want to ask Belgium for advice, they've got a long history with missing governments

04-23-11, 02:00 AM	#19
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	from a position o pure viability: for canada to become incorporated into a new united states, it would be a walk in the park. Economically, politically, everything would work out with the minimum of fuss and only incremental changes. For mexico to join would permanently alter the economic and political structure of the rest of north america in short order. What is in fact to gain from this? For anyone? Let alone the disadvantages for the US and Canada, Mexico's oligarchs would be obliged to live with US anti-trust and anti corruption laws! I'd like to see them ratify that! __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

04-23-11, 06:24 AM	#20
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	Canada and the US are already very integrated. They share a similar language, culture, political system. The free trade agreement signed 20 years ago already broke down most trade barriers. The Canadian and US government closely coordinate their economic and financial policy. Canadians can enter the US at anytime for business or pleasure with minimal hassles (same for Americans coming to Canada). Going all the way to a more formal union would be difficult politically and would not yield much more economic benefits. Mexico is a different case altogether. Canadian and US businesses love using the low cost labour, but no one wants to see millions of Mexicans being able to move with no restrictions to Canada or the US. __________________

04-23-11, 06:52 AM	#21
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Tom Brokaw explains Canada to Americans A very nice piece Who here remembers Operation Yellow Ribbon? I wager not many __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-23-11, 07:57 AM	#24
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	Canada has always backed up the US since WW2, even siding with the US against Britain and France in the 56 Suez crisis. the only time we did not go along was....Vietnam and Iraq. Maybe you guys should listen to us more often... __________________

04-23-11, 07:58 AM	#25
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Lets not forget Iran 1980 either, another thing we have Canada to thank. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-23-11, 01:01 AM	#18
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	"illegal ownership is 20% here (this includes legal owners who have too many or non-registered weapons)" How can you expect a stat about anything illegal to be accurate? At best a stat on something that is illegal and not tracked as something legal like legally owning a gun would be the only thing to go on would be those caught violating the law and basically just guessing from there. Maybe they have better statisticians in Germany I just dont see how they can say that the level is 20% and you say that this includes legal owners who have too many guns how much of that 20% are they?All I can say is that I was stationed near Kaiserslaughtern Germany for almost 3 years and I did not hear of any violent crimes involving a gun in that area when I was there and several German nationals worked for my unit and the military kept us informed about local criminal activity. Interesting that so many people kill them selves with guns though. I guess people do it that way because it seems most reliable and painless which it is I'd guess but people do survive even head shoots. MY dentist told me once when he did his required hospital time years ago that some guy came in the ER who had shoot himself in the mouth(with the barrel up towards his brain) it was a .32 cal bullet and it hit one of his molars blew it apart and bounced up and hit the roof of his mouth and broke his "roof of the mouth bone" the pallet I guess they call it.Of course if they did not have a gun on hand theyd have done the deed with something else.

04-23-11, 08:07 AM	#26
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Oh Canada Every time we visited we were treated like old friends by their Navy and Coast Guard. When we would transit through the Detroit River in the early 80's it was amazing to see the difference between Detroit and Windsor. On one side a war zone on the other a quiet and clean city park.

04-23-11, 12:01 PM	#27
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I see a northern movement, mexicans take over the US, we move into Canada....I have a friend that lost his job in construction, a former cop, got on with the border patrol. He did that for less than a year, said it's a war that they can't fight and not worth the pay. Last edited by Armistead; 04-23-11 at 12:53 PM.

04-23-11, 12:58 PM	#29
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Wish we had the ability to vote no-confidence in the US. But if we did, we would be doing that every other week. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.