Sarah's speech in Wisconsin was hot tea - Page 3

mookiemookie · 04-18-11, 11:50 AM

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So does Star Trek but neither of which are about politics so they are hardly indicators on the quality of people who support Palin politically.

You're missing the point. AVG implied that popularity implies intelligence. I presented a counter argument.

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You have a selective memory then Mookie. All of them used their family to promote their campaigns and after reaching office. Do I really have to dig up some photo op shots?

You can probably find photos of presidents with their family up on stage going back 100 years. But I don't recall things like this: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4837644.ece

MH · 04-18-11, 11:53 AM

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Of course given her behavior, one has to wonder about the type of people she is attracting in this following of hers. The only good thing, at least is for the moment, is that she is still well on the fringe.

Is there some sort of serious middle line in US politics?
To me as outsider Obama seems the best Americans can have.
I'm not talking about his rosy foreign politics with which i disagree.

NeonSamurai · 04-18-11, 12:02 PM

As far as I can tell there are different gradients in the two main camps. You have more extreme and more central elements in each. I myself count Palin more in the extreme fringe of things, than central conservative.

Ducimus · 04-18-11, 12:58 PM

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Every time she opens her mouth, I want to stick a gun in mine...

I'm surprised anyone really , and seriously listens to her, or anyone like her. I don't even have to read the article to know it was more firebrand rhetoric, boilerplate, emotionally charged babble, and generally catered to the far right in a feel good kinda way.

These people (the far right) from everything i've ever seen, are devoid of logic, reason, and practicality. It's always emotionally charged rhetoric and little else. This is what has pushed me away from the right and more towards center. Logic, reason, and practicality, in my mind is what i want in government. Not "feel good" talk and rhetoric.

They open their mouth like they have, and i move further away. Now, i don't even listen anymore. All crediblity in my eyes, is lost. Not that the left is much better, but they're rhetoric level is nowhere near the level of the rights. Which is the only thing that makes the left remotely tolerable.

AVGWarhawk · 04-18-11, 01:09 PM

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AVG implied that popularity implies intelligence.

No I didn't. I said plenty say she is stupid, dumb, unintelligent however she still draws a crowd. Nowhere did I say popularity implies intelligence. If that is the case then your Jersey Shore comment makes Snooky a friggin genius.

AVGWarhawk · 04-18-11, 01:11 PM

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So does Jersey Shore.

Jersey shore is not politically based nor draws a political crowd. This comment worthless in this thread.

mookiemookie · 04-18-11, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

No I didn'nt. I said plenty say she is stupid, dumb, unintelligent however she still draws a crowd. Nowhere did I say popularity implies intelligence. If that is the case then your Jersey Shore comment makes Snooky a friggin genius.

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Jersey shore is not politically based nor draws a political crowd. This comment worthless in this thread.

"Worthless." Allow me to borrow from Tribesman's playbook here:

Saying "she's stupid yet still has a large following" means either: A) she's not stupid because her large following vindicates her intelligence, i.e. popularity implies intelligence or B) she's stupid and has a large following because there's a lot of stupid people out there.

Either way...

Jersey Shore has a large following too. It doesn't mean it's intelligent or worthwhile. Kind of like Mrs. Palin.

AVGWarhawk · 04-18-11, 01:26 PM

When you start quoting Tribesman it is time for some original thought of your own.

Again, it was not implied. You implied it. Something draws people to this woman. I did not say it was intelligence. You can back pedal all you like. You will not find were I said she is intelligent and this is the reason she draws crowds.

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Jersey Shore has a large following too.

Once again...not politically.

August · 04-18-11, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You're missing the point. AVG implied that popularity implies intelligence. I presented a counter argument.

But we're not talking about just any kind of popularity are we. She has a political following. Nobody supports a looser unless their message is compelling.

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You can probably find photos of presidents with their family up on stage going back 100 years. But I don't recall things like this: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4837644.ece

Actually it displays the liberal hypocrisy quite clearly.

It's a third party comment, not even attributed to a specific person, about the possibility that Palins daughter might get married before the election and what effect it might have on her mothers popularity.

How can you not see the spin?

Armistead · 04-18-11, 01:38 PM

It's fairly obvious, she draws many from the more extreme religious right.
When someone with more extreme religious views talks, it will pull that crowd, but anytime someone wants to mix their view of God and politics, scares the crap out of me.

It was probably the liberals that made her famous, but she did suffer from stupidity when she opened her mouth, probably the worse to ever interview. Even now her political career is done, but can't blame her for
staying in the media, making her rich.

We must also remember she had her own reality show....Her shooting that moose was a joke, controlled, probably let out of a cage and just stood there as she missed several times.

I don't much blame her for being stupid politically, I blame McCain for taking her knowing little about her. She's probably a decent average person, just no clue how the world works. She's more studied now, but still just the same talking points.

AVGWarhawk · 04-18-11, 01:42 PM

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but anytime someone wants to mix their view of God and politics

This has been happening for the past 200 years here in these great United States.

vienna · 04-18-11, 01:49 PM

Apparently Sarah had sought some outside advice:

Armistead · 04-18-11, 01:52 PM

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This has been happening for the past 200 years here in these great United States.

Yep, we can see that by the harm done by it....

AVGWarhawk · 04-18-11, 01:59 PM

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Yep, we can see that by the harm done by it....

Yes and no. At one time perhaps it was prudent God and politics was intermingled for a purpose of good. The country was loaded with people escaping religious persecution. From that, laws, bylaws created by newly designed politcal body that incorporated religion into a whole train of thought. Perhaps today that thought is not required anymore? We can not emphatically state that because a crowd is drawn to those that speak religion and politics all be it stupid or selling snake oil.

Armistead · 04-18-11, 02:08 PM

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Yes and no. At one time perhaps it was prudent God and politics was intermingled for a purpose of good. The country was loaded with people escaping religious persecution. From that, laws, bylaws created by newly designed politcal body that incorporated religion into a whole train of thought. Perhaps today that thought is not required anymore? We can not emphatically state that because a crowd is drawn to those that speak religion and politics all be it stupid or selling snake oil.

I agree, it's how they portray it. Even liberals will make statements on God.
It's when it becomes obvious a person wants to push their religious views through politics it becomes a problem.

History has taught us clearly when politics and religion mix the outcome is usually controlling and dire..

Sarah's made those kind of statements, that God is for the war, God is for this or that. She was a member of a fairly fundy pentacostal church, just watch the video's of her pastor praying over her. I thought after he got done he would give her a sword to slay all non believers, gay, muslims, etc..

Mike Huckabee is a fundy, but he also seems smart and honest, Sarah doesn't come across as either.

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	It's fairly obvious, she draws many from the more extreme religious right. When someone with more extreme religious views talks, it will pull that crowd, but anytime someone wants to mix their view of God and politics, scares the crap out of me. It was probably the liberals that made her famous, but she did suffer from stupidity when she opened her mouth, probably the worse to ever interview. Even now her political career is done, but can't blame her for staying in the media, making her rich. We must also remember she had her own reality show....Her shooting that moose was a joke, controlled, probably let out of a cage and just stood there as she missed several times. I don't much blame her for being stupid politically, I blame McCain for taking her knowing little about her. She's probably a decent average person, just no clue how the world works. She's more studied now, but still just the same talking points.

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vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,718 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Apparently Sarah had sought some outside advice: