Sarah's speech in Wisconsin was hot tea

[GoldenRivet]

I guess the whole thing i dont understand about the Wisconsin situation is:

why do government employees deserve more rights and privileges than privately employed individuals?

Why should taxpayer money be used to supplement the retirement of a government employee who put almost nothing into his own pension fund?

Why does a government employee, protected by so many laws and regulations pertaining to occupational health and safety need collective bargaining rights that expand to anything beyond wage?

[Feuer Frei!]

And just wondering, is there actually anyone here that respects her? As a human being? Family person? Mother?
Not wanting to stir up a hornet's nest here but, i kind of feel for her, regardless of her lack of political prowess or know-how.
The ridicule and sexist jokes and remarks she cops is pretty bewildering.
Sure she's good-looking but does it really warrant the inuendos and sexual conotations?
Kind of shallow really.
My 2 cents worth.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

And just wondering, is there actually anyone here that respects her? As a human being? Family person? Mother?
Not wanting to stir up a hornet's nest here but, i kind of feel for her, regardless of her lack of political prowess or know-how.
The ridicule and sexist jokes and remarks she cops is pretty bewildering.
Sure she's good-looking but does it really warrant the inuendos and sexual conotations?
Kind of shallow really.
My 2 cents worth.

Its pretty despicable the things some people will say about a woman - any woman.... event if it is Palin.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

And just wondering, is there actually anyone here that respects her? As a human being? Family person? Mother?

How can you respect her as a family person and a mother when she blatantly uses her family as political tools?

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

How can you respect her as a family person and a mother when she blatantly uses her family as political tools?

or when she preaches "family values" but couldn't even stop her daughter from getting knocked up?

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

How can you respect her as a family person and a mother when she blatantly uses her family as political tools?

The same way you respect Obama and Clinton when they use their families for their same reasons.

Now i'm no fan of Palin, as far as i'm concerned she left the keys to the White House on the Governors desk when she walked out, but the eagerness with which the Progressives will abandon their ideological principles and become sexist bigots when it comes to this woman, and her family, is downright scary.

I guess social equality is only for those with the right politics.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

The same way you respect Obama and Clinton when they use their families for their same reasons.

Now i'm no fan of Palin, as far as i'm concerned she left the keys to the White House on the Governors desk when she walked out, but the eagerness with which the Progressives will abandon their ideological principles and become sexist bigots when it comes to this woman, and her family, is downright scary.

I guess social equality is only for those with the right politics.

This. I'll just add the "race" issue too. Could you imagine if she was black?

[Armistead]

I actually never comment about her looks, decent, but not great. Really, I don't blame her for being who she is, but she is a prime example of how people will fall for anything. Let's face it, this woman is not that bright, she's a past fundy speaking in tongues God is for war believer...sorry, that's not someone I want carrying the key to the football.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I actually never comment about her looks, decent, but not great. Really, I don't blame her for being who she is, but she is a prime example of how people will fall for anything. Let's face it, this woman is not that bright, she's a past fundy speaking in tongues God is for war believer...sorry, that's not someone I want carrying the key to the football.

This too. There are those that use "elitist" like it's a pejorative, and hold up her brand of willfull ignorance as some sort of folksy, homespun, gosh darnit common sense that we should all aspire to.

Well guess what? I want the elites in charge. I want the smart people running things. I want the people who can see the nuance in geopolitical situations. I want people in charge that have political positions that don't fit on a bumper sticker. Palin just isn't it.

Originally Posted by August

The same way you respect Obama and Clinton when they use their families for their same reasons.

I don't recall Chelsea, Barbara, Jenna, Sasha or Malia being a central theme of Clinton, Bush or Obama's campaigns.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

How can you respect her as a family person and a mother when she blatantly uses her family as political tools?

Let me rephrase my last post to "human being" then.
Let's just make it a general scenario then, leave out all the political motifs, the size of her boobs, how small her IQ MAY be, all that and the tiring garbage photo-chopping and crass and crude remarks and xxx-rated images that flood the net and respect her as a human being.
Is that too much to ask?
I'm not necessarily having a crack at you or anyone else for that matter here, although i must say a few comments were slipped in there about her physical advantages or a few(i must admit fairly mild sexual inuendos) but surely, are we any better than the single-minded sexually deprived crass and disrespecting people out in the big wide world who continuously do the above?
It gets my nut, it really does.
It's boring, unoriginal, and quiet frankly pretty shallow to stoop to that.
Human nature you say? Ridiculing? Making funny sexual jokes about a married woman who has kids and a husband?
Yea, very classy that.
If you have a problem with her politics, then stick to her (alleged) political short-comings.
Don't bring cheap shots into it, or alluding to what you would like to do to her, or the like.
Yea, i'm a man, no i'm not gay and yea i'll stick up for women
Note: none of the above is DIRECTLY pointed at you, mookiemookie

[AVGWarhawk]

What gets me is many say how stupid she is. A complete idiot, etc. Yet, she commands a crowd and a following. Do not think for a minute she is a nonfactor in today's politcal world.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

What gets me is many say how stupid she is. A complete idiot, etc. Yet, she commands a crowd and a following.

So does Jersey Shore.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

So does Jersey Shore.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

So does Jersey Shore.

So does Star Trek but neither of which are about politics so they are hardly indicators on the quality of people who support Palin politically.

I don't recall Chelsea, Barbara, Jenna, Sasha or Malia being a central theme of Clinton, Bush or Obama's campaigns.

You have a selective memory then Mookie. All of them used their family to promote their campaigns and after reaching office. Do I really have to dig up some photo op shots?

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

And just wondering, is there actually anyone here that respects her? As a human being? Family person? Mother?
Not wanting to stir up a hornet's nest here but, i kind of feel for her, regardless of her lack of political prowess or know-how.
The ridicule and sexist jokes and remarks she cops is pretty bewildering.
Sure she's good-looking but does it really warrant the inuendos and sexual conotations?
Kind of shallow really.
My 2 cents worth.

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Its pretty despicable the things some people will say about a woman - any woman.... event if it is Palin.

I agree, and frankly I think some of the comments I am seeing here are going well beyond the bounds of acceptable behavior for Subsim. So let this be a warning to all. I strongly suggest easing back on the sexual references/attacks in this thread or infractions will follow.

Personally I cannot stand Palin on many levels (I find her very repellent). But I would never attack her on the level I am seeing here, no matter how physically attractive (or unattractive) she is. It is much better to go after what she stands for, then who she is (which is a fallacious argument). I don't care what side of the fence a person is on, these sorts of attacks gain equal contempt from me.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

What gets me is many say how stupid she is. A complete idiot, etc. Yet, she commands a crowd and a following. Do not think for a minute she is a nonfactor in today's politcal world.

Of course given her behavior, one has to wonder about the type of people she is attracting in this following of hers. The only good thing, at least is for the moment, is that she is still well on the fringe.