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Old 04-15-11, 12:52 PM   #16
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Damn. Poor horse.

I don't know if my horse would pull an artillery limber. He doesn't like being attached to things. I could probably train him to do it, but I don't know if it's worth the expense and effort just to cart cannons around. I'll have to think about it
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Much obliged, thanks to the hobbit. Now, back to hobbits.
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Old 04-15-11, 01:10 PM   #18
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IMO if this movie turns out to be of the same quality as LOTR, there is no way on earth that having read the book beforehand could ruin it.

Granted I hadn't read any of the books within the 15 or so years prior to the first LOTR movie coming out, but then I didn't really need to. I'd read them so many times in the two decades prior that there weren't really any surprises to be had provided Jackson didn't do any major improvising.

(I can still remember sitting in the theater watching the Fellowship trailer for the first time, seeing the various characters, and a little voice in my head saying "Well that's Boromir, that's Legolas, that must be Gimli..." and then another voice in my head asking "It's been at least 15 years, HOW CAN YOU STILL KNOW THESE PEOPLE?!?!?" )

My first experience with The Hobbit was an animated version that was on TV I don't know when, before I ever read the books so maybe I was a pre-teen or barely a teenager? Orson Bean did the voice of Bilbo, I want to say John Huston was Gandalf, and Hans Conreid was Thorin...?

I didn't start reading the books until the summer of 1980, The Silmarillion had come out in paperback and I picked up a copy in a drugstore and got hooked. I think I'd tried to read a loaner copy of The Hobbit but just couldn't get into it. But I soon asked for the little paperback set that had it plus the LOTR trilogy and got it for my birthday a couple months later.

So, eh, for me The Hobbit was not a beloved introduction to the written works of Tolkien, it was always more the "filler" in between The Silmarillion and LOTR.
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Old 04-15-11, 03:43 PM   #19
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I read the books for the first time in 1969, and I was late to the party. Why have you not read them before now?
Well, I'm even later to the party. In that year I wasn't even thought of yet. My parents didn't even know about eachother yet. Though around 1985 I played a game on this thing that was based on the story. But I had been totaly oblivious to the existance of the LOTR lore until 'THE movies' came out. Once I saw the first movie I immediately bought the english version of the trilogy book. (like everyone else ) The dutch translation contained such strange malformed names of the people and place, I was never going to read that. But yeah, since then I've been a bit lazy with reading. The Silmarilion and the Hobbit are catching dust. Hopefully the fire of Mount Doom will be rekindled in the comming years.

I've also still got the german version of Das Boot catching dust in the book cupboard. How naive I was when I tried reading it in it's original tongue. (Yeah, I set high standards to my self.)
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So, eh, for me The Hobbit was not a beloved introduction to the written works of Tolkien, it was always more the "filler" in between The Silmarillion and LOTR.
Heh, the Hobbit was the first in the series I read, since it was so much easier Once I got older little and I could wrap my head around the style in LOTR I got more into the books. (but that was after I saw the movies, unfortunately )
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Well, I'm even later to the party. In that year I wasn't even thought of yet. My parents didn't even know about eachother yet. Though around 1985 I played a game on this thing that was based on the story. But I had been totaly oblivious to the existance of the LOTR lore until 'THE movies' came out. Once I saw the first movie I immediately bought the english version of the trilogy book. (like everyone else ) The dutch translation contained such strange malformed names of the people and place, I was never going to read that. But yeah, since then I've been a bit lazy with reading. The Silmarilion and the Hobbit are catching dust. Hopefully the fire of Mount Doom will be rekindled in the comming years.

I've also still got the german version of Das Boot catching dust in the book cupboard. How naive I was when I tried reading it in it's original tongue. (Yeah, I set high standards to my self.)
I know people my age and older who never read the books (and barely knew they existed) before they saw the first movie. And they got hooked as well, now they love the books because of the movies and not the other way 'round.

Which told me right off what a fantastic job Jackson did, since it clearly wasn't just Tolkien geeks who thought the movies were awesome.
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That was actually the first of the books I read and what got me hooked.
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Oh The Hobbit. Last I heard it was being shut down due to legal troubles or some shiznip like that.

Nice to see it crawling back from the grave.
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Why? She started from the beginning. And Morgoth makes Sauron look like a pup.
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For those of you who think that's an odd desire, you are not horsemen. Any true horseman would delight in the chance to participate in a cavalry charge. Think about it. Hundreds of men sitting astride hundreds of massive beasts of war, bearing down upon the enemy to the sound of a thousand thundering hooves. Charging someone with just one horse is awesome. Get a few friends and the awesomeness multiplies exponentially. I know because I've done it. But a charge with a whole regiment of cavalry? Or even a few score? I can't even imagine the ecstasy, even if it's a fake charge.
I don't think it's odd at all. In fact it sounds a lot like a military parachute jump which is still my all time favorite activity.

Sorry to hear you won't get your chance UL.
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That was actually the first of the books I read and what got me hooked.

Wow! Reading the Silmarillion first and getting hooked is pretty impressive. I've tried to read it a few times and just can't get into it. I'm a HUGE LOTR fan. I read the books the first ime in the early '80's and have reread them around a dozen times or so.
So even being a fan, I still couldn't get into the Silmarillion.

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I doubt it will be a cheap knock off. I'd bet my life they will do an excellent job of developing Smaug.
I remember looking at a book about the movies before they came out and seeing some of the characters and thinking "Boy, that is exactly what I pictured in my mind's eye when reading the book!" I think Peter Jackson will stay true to his vision.

I'm already starting to vibrate about the movie.

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Why? She started from the beginning. And Morgoth makes Sauron look like a pup.


I don't know why that one caught my interest when The Hobbit didn't. Maybe because I was older? I was 16 and many of my friends had already been through the existing Tolkien books numerous times. They all said you "had" to start with The Hobbit but I remembered it as a "kid's" story that I'd seen as a cartoon and the book felt the same to me: like a story for little kids. As a mature adult (STOP LAUGHING! ) that might not be a problem, but you know how it is as a teenager - anything that smacks of being "for little kids" just leaves you cold and you want nothing to do with it, lol.

(I had much the same issue when I finally tried to start the Narnia books. Most of my "fantasy geek" friends from high school on raved about them, but they had all read them first at a much younger age. By the time I got around to it my reaction was a pronounced "meh." Tried again as an adult but the reaction was the same, and of course without the nostalgic childhood attachment... nothing. Barely made it through the first film out of sheer curiosity.)

The Silmarillion was a whole 'nother kettle of fish, and it gave a depth and history to Middle Earth that sparked my interest in following up to find out the rest of the story. And when I finally sat down to read The Hobbit, Bilbo finding that ring had far more significance and I could see how the story worked as a necessary link between what came before and what would come after.
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Peter Jackson's lost quite a bit of weight since the Lord of the Rings Lots more gray hair too... I guess doing a series like this will do that to ya.
Heck time alone will will do that to ya. What's it been, 12 years since LotR?
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Heck time alone will will do that to ya. What's it been, 12 years since LotR?
Not quite. The first one came out in 2001. Man has it been that long?
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Not quite. The first one came out in 2001. Man has it been that long?
Well, if it was released in 2001, then he probably has been working on the films for at least a dozen years.
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