Women in face veils detained as France enforces ban

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by MH

France as a country has a right to make itself less attractive for nuts.

That may be an objective of theirs, but it may well have the opposite effect.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

Personally, I think even though France is skirting a fine line here I like their idea. It is a symbol of oppression for women, a way of objectifying and treating them like property.

also, it is something to do with security for sure. Disguising yourself properly is much harder than just putting on a mask.

plus, it's France not the middle east...things are different there.

No, France is not the Middle East is located between Italy and Spain, and the border with Lux, Belgians, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Monaco

[MH]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

That may be an objective of theirs, but it may well have the opposite effect.

As the old saying:
"You cant eat cake and leave it whole"
Opposite effect-thats the whole problem.
You may see opposite effect sooner than later.

[gimpy117]

well I might also add the fact that Islam hasn't done much to further it's cause and get respect lately. If they don't want laws like this they shouldn't be tolerating the blowing up buildings, trains, planes and or killing cartoonists or professors. Respect comes when respect is earned.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

This will certainly help everyone get along.

Can we honestly say in the history of mankind two differing peoples ever "got along?"

[Skybird]

Displaying to all around you that you wish to look different at all cost from your new home's cultural standards and habits, surely is a strong hint for how much you desire to integrate yourself into your new hosting living place.

For the Islamisation movement, the Burkha and headscarfs simply are a political fightingtool to enforce more steps in retreat from the europeans - who are expected to adapt themselves to Islamic migrants, not that Islamic migrants in Europe have to adapt to European standards.

Muhammad himself demanded that women shall cover themselves. First the demand was just for toilet purposes, that women should not draw attention to themselves when exposing themselves on these occaisons, especially the attention of foreign infidel men. He later generalised the demand that women in principle should cover themselves. It was then when it became a tool of patriarchalic claiom for dominating women, and force them into a suppressed, obedient general attitude.

Wearing a Burkha in summer temperature, is a risk to health, causing cardiovasculare failure, and a statistically increased lethality and shortening of life expectancy of women.

The French are right to ban full veils, like the Germans are right to ban Swastikas in public display. Both are symbols for a totalitarian ideology, and both got and get used to support political ideologies that are incompatible with our laws and values.

But I do not want to be a flic in France these days. At best it means tremendous stress for them, due to the hysteric aggressiveness they most likely will meet from the woman herself when stopping a veiled women. At worst they will find themselves in physical fights and turmoils and getting injured when a whole local subgroups of well-integrated multicultural citizens with migration background go after them. I have had such scenes when I still worked in a shopping mall, and I know what the German police is telling about the situation in Muslim quarters of German metropoles. There are parts in Berlin where they do not go in at all without massive reinforcements. But even outside these quarters they more and more often meet physical violence and mobs of Muslim migrants when doiung their duty of whatever a kind - and the subject they deal with is a Muslim.

How comes they do not have such problems with migrants from other cultures? How comes that the biggest criminal family clans in Berlin, with hundreds of members, all are from Lebanon and Afghanistan and smaller ones also from Turkey and Albania - and the police usually avoiding to coinfront them withiout having called in hundreds of reinforcements? And the left-leaning jurisdication in Berlin trying to appease them and not confronting them, and hiding from the public that they are overrepresented in crime statistics in the city? At the sdame time the leaer of the German federal police union having demanded just days ago that finally the nationality and origin of criminal offenders must become part of warrants again and must be in cluded in the usual office paperload and office files again? Doing so was forbidden several years ago, to make it impossible for the casual observer to see in numbers black on white to what degree violence and crime in the metropoles of Germany is dominated by clans with a Muslim migration background.

It should be racism and discrimination to correctly identify criminal offenders...?

[Krauter]

Originally Posted by Betonov

This is my argument, but because subsim is in short supply of extreme liberal hippies and fundamental muslims, my argument is not an argument but only a statement.

And Thank God for that!

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

well I might also add the fact that Islam hasn't done much to further it's cause and get respect lately. If they don't want laws like this they shouldn't be tolerating the blowing up buildings, trains, planes and or killing cartoonists or professors. Respect comes when respect is earned.

This.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Displaying to all around you that you wish to look different at all cost from your new home's cultural standards and habits, surely is a strong hint for how much you desire to integrate yourself into your new hosting living place.

For the Islamisation movement, the Burkha and headscarfs simply are a political fightingtool to enforce more steps in retreat from the europeans - who are expected to adapt themselves to Islamic migrants, not that Islamic migrants in Europe have to adapt to European standards.

Muhammad himself demanded that women shall cover themselves. First the demand was just for toilet purposes, that women should not draw attention to themselves when exposing themselves on these occaisons, especially the attention of foreign infidel men. He later generalised the demand that women in principle should cover themselves. It was then when it became a tool of patriarchalic claiom for dominating women, and force them into a suppressed, obedient general attitude.

Wearing a Burkha in summer temperature, is a risk to health, causing cardiovasculare failure, and a statistically increased lethality and shortening of life expectancy of women.

The French are right to ban full veils, like the Germans are right to ban Swastikas in public display. Both are symbols for a totalitarian ideology, and both got and get used to support political ideologies that are incompatible with our laws and values.

But I do not want to be a flic in France these days. At best it means tremendous stress for them, due to the hysteric aggressiveness they most likely will meet from the woman herself when stopping a veiled women. At worst they will find themselves in physical fights and turmoils and getting injured when a whole local subgroups of well-integrated multicultural citizens with migration background go after them. I have had such scenes when I still worked in a shopping mall, and I know what the German police is telling about the situation in Muslim quarters of German metropoles. There are parts in Berlin where they do not go in at all without massive reinforcements. But even outside these quarters they more and more often meet physical violence and mobs of Muslim migrants when doiung their duty of whatever a kind - and the subject they deal with is a Muslim.

How comes they do not have such problems with migrants from other cultures? How comes that the biggest criminal family clans in Berlin, with hundreds of members, all are from Lebanon and Afghanistan and smaller ones also from Turkey and Albania - and the police usually avoiding to coinfront them withiout having called in hundreds of reinforcements? And the left-leaning jurisdication in Berlin trying to appease them and not confronting them, and hiding from the public that they are overrepresented in crime statistics in the city? At the sdame time the leaer of the German federal police union having demanded just days ago that finally the nationality and origin of criminal offenders must become part of warrants again and must be in cluded in the usual office paperload and office files again? Doing so was forbidden several years ago, to make it impossible for the casual observer to see in numbers black on white to what degree violence and crime in the metropoles of Germany is dominated by clans with a Muslim migration background.

It should be racism and discrimination to correctly identify criminal offenders...?

"But I do not want to be a flic in France these days" Believe me they do a good job, also, this is not just about France in, large parts of the West which is multicultural

Originally Posted by gimpy117

well I might also add the fact that Islam hasn't done much to further it's cause and get respect lately. If they don't want laws like this they shouldn't be tolerating the blowing up buildings, trains, planes and or killing cartoonists or professors. Respect comes when respect is earned.

Who says that the entire Religon tolerates this extremism though? Do they have a Pope that speaks for everybody and says doing these things is good? Every group is gonna have its bad apples unfortunately but I wouldn't be against the entire group for the actions of a few. If I go out and Stab someone while screaming "FOR ZEUS" does that mean that all Pagans support stabbing people?

I have no idea if this post came out right I was having trouble trying to voice my thoughts.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Rilder

Who says that the entire Religon tolerates this extremism though? Do they have a Pope that speaks for everybody and says doing these things is good? Every group is gonna have its bad apples unfortunately but I wouldn't be against the entire group for the actions of a few. If I go out and Stab someone while screaming "FOR ZEUS" does that mean that all Pagans support stabbing people?

I have no idea if this post came out right I was having trouble trying to voice my thoughts.

Guilt by association. Happens all the time.

[antikristuseke]

The fact that it happens all the time does not make it any less retarded.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

The fact that it happens all the time does not make it any less retarded.

Do you have to associate the 'retarded' in the conversation? Does it make it anyless stupid if we use the word 'retarded'?

[Oberon]

Islamic riots in five...four...three...

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Islamic riots in five...four...three...

Godwin's law?