The proposed 2012 budget...

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by August

As far as i'm concerned the decision to remove Saddam was the right one, but i'm not the one trying to make out like the Democrats were driven by fiscal concerns.

ok whoopty dee! Maybe we were voting over ideological reasons maybe we weren't...but the real point is that the republicans were willing to spend that much money in those wars...but now it's "oh my gosh, oh my gosh! spending is out of control!". Ha ha thats a joke. Again it's not about the budget, it's all a political move. They can whine and complain about how we spend to much to look good, and then slice programs they don't like to get their enemies out of the way.If they really cared about the fiscal spending they would vote us out of those pointless wars ASAP and take a long hard look at the defense spending of this nation, because it is one of the largest chunks there is. However, they like the Military industrial complex so they will never cut funding to the DoD. Apparently they hate the air and would also like to see our daughters get knocked up..because guess what was on the chopping block.

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

ok whoopty dee! Maybe we were voting over ideological reasons maybe we weren't...but the real point is that the republicans were willing to spend that much money in those wars...but now it's "oh my gosh, oh my gosh! spending is out of control!". Ha ha thats a joke. Again it's not about the budget, it's all a political move. They can whine and complain about how we spend to much to look good, and then slice programs they don't like to get their enemies out of the way.If they really cared about the fiscal spending they would vote us out of those pointless wars ASAP and take a long hard look at the defense spending of this nation...but they like the Military industrial complex so they will never cut funding to the DoD. However, apparently they hate the air and would also like to see our daughters get knocked up..because guess what was on the chopping block.

Because money has been spent on other things in the past is not an excuse to go even more crazy now. Even you have to admit your Democrats have created the largest deficit ever in American history. Is Obamacare really that important?

[nikimcbee]

I don't think progressives understand the term; "We have no more money."
I'll use a language they understand: No mas denero.

Don't cut my program bro.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I don't think progressives understand the term; "We have no more money."
I'll use a language they understand: No mas denero.

Don't cut my program bro.

And what have the Republicans done to address the problem? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. They kicked and screamed and threatened to shut down the government over 1.59% of the entire budget. 1.59% isn't about solving our deficit problems. It's about using the deficit as an excuse to cut programs that the GOP views as politically distasteful.

Anyone that believes any of this was about the budget and fiscal austerity is a rube.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I don't think progressives understand the term; "We have no more money."
I'll use a language they understand: No mas denero.

Don't cut my program bro.

You're right, we don't have any more money, the GOP gave it all to corporations through tax shelters and loopholes.

When less than 5% hold over 50% of all wealth, compared to 60% of us holding it in the 70's, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see were creating a two class system via the corporate takeover of America.

It seems this nation is headed in one of two directions, corporate control or big government with social programs. The problem is one creates the other. The richer the corporations get, the poorer the mass population becomes. This creates a social and economic problem that many Dems. want to fix, face it, they believe in helping others even if it is with someone elses money, the GOP want to help the rich get richer so they can stay in office and force idealology down our throats.

It's laughable to say the GOP believes in smaller government. Anytime they had power, government and the budget increased.

[Oberon]

And thus

Deadlock.

[August]

Originally Posted by Armistead

the GOP want to help the rich get richer so they can stay in office and force idealology down our throats.

Last I checked the GoP or the rich do not tell me who to vote for.

...they believe in helping others even if it is with someone elses money...

Way too general a statement. The Dems believe in helping their political supporters by stealing everyone elses hard earned money even if it causes the nation to collapse financially.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by August

Because money has been spent on other things in the past is not an excuse to go even more crazy now. Even you have to admit your Democrats have created the largest deficit ever in American history. Is Obamacare really that important?

who signed TARP into law?

I'm simply just pointing the hypocritical events that have taken place, where the republicans voted almost universally to throw more money to war yet have been climbing the walls when we propose social programs to help our countrymen or a bill to keep our country's economy from having the bottom fall out. Now however, when it is politically convenient to suddenly be fiscally conservative (at least from face value...until they start with handouts to the rich and businesses) they do so.

It's politics bro, if there was a republican president in office and they GOP wasn't worried about winning in 2012 we'd be selling our first born kids to send more money to haliburtion in Iraq.

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

who signed TARP into law?

A lame duck president signed a Democrat created and passed bill. This is your argument?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

A lame duck president signed a Democrat created and passed bill. This is your argument?

The Dem's passed it? Looks like 91 Republicans voted for it and 63 Dems against it as well. Don't ignore relevant facts because they're not politically expedient.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The Dem's passed it? Looks like 91 Republicans voted for it and 63 Dems against it as well. Don't ignore relevant facts because they're not politically expedient.

I'm not ignoring anything mookie, just getting tired of the constant hypocrisy of the left in this country.

Ask yourself:
Who controlled Congress when TARP was enacted?
What has been the most common fate of the Blue Dogs who voted against TARP?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

I'm not ignoring anything mookie, just getting tired of the constant hypocrisy of the left in this country.

Ask yourself:
Who controlled Congress when TARP was enacted?
What has been the most common fate of the Blue Dogs who voted against TARP?

91 Republicans voted for it and 63 Dems against it. Neither side holds the monopoly on hypocrisy.