The proposed 2012 budget...

[CaptainHaplo]

Before you start screaming about how this plan is going to make seniors live on dog or cat food, before you start arguing how lower taxes create economic growth, and before you take up whichever ideological arguements you already know.....

Try reading the thing:

http://budget.house.gov/UploadedFile...rityFY2012.pdf

Once you have, lets have a discussion on is this the right thing to do.

No talking points - lets deal with it as what it is - not what one side or the other CLAIM it is.....

[Platapus]

Well this is not the actual budget document. This is a propaganda document reflecting partisan viewpoints.

What we need to find is the actual proposed budget that the House of Representatives, as a whole, is proposing (which has not been released yet).

Then we can talk.

This document is only what the GOP wants us to believe they are going to propose.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Well this is not the actual budget document. This is a propaganda document reflecting partisan viewpoints.
.

The file linked pretty much makes this obvious.
budget.house.gov/UploadedFiles/PathToProsperityFY2012.pdf

Path to prosperity? REALLY?! Says who? And does everyone agree this is the path? It's not named something official like "ProposedBudget2012.pdf", but a file named with a "make you feel good" choice of words. I just wasn't going to say anything, but i couldn't help but respond to your post Platapus. Damn you!

[mookiemookie]

GOP Completely Fixes Economy By Canceling Funding For NPR

"Since eliminating federal spending for NPR, America's economic outlook is brighter than it's been in decades, with manufacturing on the rise and millions of jobs once sent overseas now returning to our shores," said Sen. Mark Kirk (R-IL), adding that by eliminating funds for NPR, the deficit has been slashed by 0.000004 percent and a newly thriving middle class once again has cause to believe in the American dream.

The Onion nails it again.

And what they said. This is pure partisan propaganda. If you want to deal with something as is instead as one side claims it is, (your words) start by junking this document.

lets deal with it as what it is

me good them bad.
Dealt with as what it is
Or if you go by the wondeful charts on projections
me amazingly good me the best thing since unsliced bread, them real crazy loons who couldn't tie a shoe lace.

[CaptainHaplo]

Actually pull up the document......

This IS the 2012 fiscal budget resolution released by the House committee on the Budget. Sorry you take offense to the name - and yes the name is partisan politics. But it IS the official resolution by the committee.

Try checking page 4 for the "Statement of Constitutionality and Legal Authority"

No - its no Binding (as the full house must vote, then send it thru the senate and exec)m, but it IS a starting point.

So how come no one wants to actually read the thing? People too entrenched in their partisanship?

Sad.... Just plain sad....

People too entrenched in their partisanship?

It is because it is a shallow pice of political posturing which completely lacks any real detail. For example the spending proposals on health are completely vacant apart from cut here/spend there when the programs are interconnected and interwoven at nearly every level.
With any buget the devil is in the detail and here it is absent

[August]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Actually pull up the document......

This IS the 2012 fiscal budget resolution released by the House committee on the Budget. Sorry you take offense to the name - and yes the name is partisan politics. But it IS the official resolution by the committee.

Try checking page 4 for the "Statement of Constitutionality and Legal Authority"

No - its no Binding (as the full house must vote, then send it thru the senate and exec)m, but it IS a starting point.

So how come no one wants to actually read the thing? People too entrenched in their partisanship?

Sad.... Just plain sad....

Of course it is Hap. The Dems are scared to death that the Republicans might actually address their run away spending habits so instead of actually considering the bill they will reject it because of who created it rather than what it contains.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

So how come no one wants to actually read the thing? People too entrenched in their partisanship?

Sad.... Just plain sad....

What's sad is that you're so entrenched in your partisanship that you refuse to see that this is a piece of GOP propaganda and you don't even realize it. I mean it's even got a link to the GOP website on the cover. It quotes the Heritage Foundation. And you're gonna try and tell me that this is a unbiased and objective document? If I tried to link you to an analysis from MoveOn, you'd all flame me to oblivion.

Your only response to that is "it's not because it says it's Constitutional on page 4."

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Page 4, Paragraph 4

This Budget Resolution for Fiscal Year 2012 intends to recommit the nation fully to the timeless principles of

American government enshrined in the U.S. Constitution – liberty, limited government, and equality under the rule of law. It seeks to guide policies by those principles, freeing the nation from the crushing burden of debt that is now threatening its future.

Originally Posted by Page 5, Subtitle Header

Where the President has failed, House Republicans will lead. This budget helps spur job creation today, stops spending money the government doesn’t have, and lifts the crushing burden of debt. This plan puts the budget on the path to balance and the economy on the path to prosperity.

Originally Posted by Page 1 Footer

house.GOP.gov

It is fine to not have talking points, but what you have linked to is little other than talking points. If you want to spur discussion in a less partisan direction, I would start by linking a less partisan source.

[razark]

From glancing through it, looks to be more a policy document outlining the Republican agenda rather than a budget document.

[Bilge_Rat]

I read it.

It is the same, lame "solutions" right wing conservatives have been proposing for 30 years:

1. cut taxes;
2. cut spending;
3. balance the budget.

They will cut $178 B out of defence spending this year, but no specifics.

They will eliminate waste in government by firing 10% of all govt employess, but without affecting any services.

They will cut Medicare spending "by ending wasteful fraud", but without affecting the current level of benefits.

They will solve the Social Security crisis by forcing the President to come up with a plan.

And their magic weapon: producing untold amounts of savings by REPEALING THE OBAMA HEALTH CARE PLAN! which is repeated on a special BLUE page every few pages in case we dont get the point.

And what will this wonderful plan do for America? OMG, the cut in taxes will create an economic boom that will generate untold tax revenues to PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT!!!!

This was not written by politicians, it was written by the inmates of an insane asylum.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Once you have, lets have a discussion on is this the right thing to do.

No talking points - lets deal with it as what it is - not what one side or the other CLAIM it is.....

Just write bad checks and let the grandkids worry about it.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I read it.

It is the same, lame "solutions" right wing conservatives have been proposing for 30 years:

1. cut taxes;
2. cut spending;
3. balance the budget.

They will cut $178 B out of defence spending this year, but no specifics.

They will eliminate waste in government by firing 10% of all govt employess, but without affecting any services.

They will cut Medicare spending "by ending wasteful fraud", but without affecting the current level of benefits.

They will solve the Social Security crisis by forcing the President to come up with a plan.

And their magic weapon: producing untold amounts of savings by REPEALING THE OBAMA HEALTH CARE PLAN! which is repeated on a special BLUE page every few pages in case we dont get the point.

And what will this wonderful plan do for America? OMG, the cut in taxes will create an economic boom that will generate untold tax revenues to PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT!!!!

This was not written by politicians, it was written by the inmates of an insane asylum.

1. Cut taxes
2. Cut spending
3. ????
4. PROFIT!

[August]

The Democrats held both houses of Congress and the Oval office yet they still didn't address the deficit other than to massively add to it.