Confusion Over Policy on Married Gay Immigrants

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Free speech is not banned, hate speech is

Anti-hate speech laws are there to prevent idiots from abusing free speech

Indeed!

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This is another opportunity to press it into people's wanted, demanded, almost ordered and certainly politically corrected opinion that there is no difference between homosexual and heterosexual people, and both are of the same sociological importance for a sociaty and culture, and have the very same biological meaning.

Seen that way we only survived until today and got that far only because the Apemen who were our forfathers had no capoability to discuss this concept, and could only say Oh, Uh, Ah and Eh. And procreate - most likely with partners of not the same sex, considering that the story of mankind did not end with them.

Forgive my brief interference, this is an issue of world-moving importance and relevance, so we really need to discuss it every couple of times.

So what? Do you really think that if we recognize gay marriage, straight men and women will suddenly turn gay, which will threaten the survival of the species?

No, if we recognize gay marriage, all that will happen is that a large part of the population will no longer be discriminated against for no reason. They weren't going to have biological children anyway, so why stop them from getting married?

And on the solution of things, in this case, and comparable things dealing with PC: let brain rain from heaven and make some interest groups think before they assume once again they are the navel of the universe and everything revolves around them.

So expecting equal treatment under the law makes you self-centered?

So what? Do you really think that if we recognize gay marriage, straight men and women will suddenly turn gay, which will threaten the survival of the species?

Stop right there, its bad enough with his poor people, dumb people immigrants and muslims breeding ideas, don't get him on the rampage about gay breeding demographics under a secret EU conspiracy

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

you obviously know nothing about the US. Did you ever even visit it?

And you obviously know nothing about the Netherlands. I'm sure there are a lot of gay friendly communities in the US but even just the fact that so many of you are dead against equal rights for gays does make you very homophobic compared to the Netherlands.

Originally Posted by Vendor

Now, "maybe" it is so, that he has suffered to run into gay people, therefore, his statement

Luckily I've never suffered anything gay in my life

Seriously though, two of my uncles are gay. So even though I myself am one of the straightest people there are, I'm a huge proponent of gay rights.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

And you obviously know nothing about the Netherlands. I'm sure there are a lot of gay friendly communities in the US but even just the fact that so many of you are dead against equal rights for gays does make you very homophobic compared to the Netherlands.

Luckily I've never suffered anything gay in my life

Seriously though, two of my uncles are gay. So even though I myself am one of the straightest people there are, I'm a huge proponent of gay rights.

Good, have a nice day.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by August

So at best it's restricted speech but it's not free.

It's free speech for me. I don't feel restricted. I would never be engaged in hate speech, because I have some moral restrictions by myself and I am too smart to fall so low. In the meanwhile teling our prime minister he's an incompetent clown would not land me in jail, publicly denouncing god won't get me burned at stake and teling my neigbour he can go to hell wont land me a fine or any other form of punishment.
I don't feel restricted, I don't feel opressed and I feel safer since the neighbour I sent to hell cannot legally and verbally fire up a lynch mob to get me.

Why is that?? Cause I am not an idiot to blab my mouth about how some group of people, that I have no quarel with should be shot. And once those idiots that do engage in hate speech will have their ''freedom of expression'' they'll start protesting why they have to go to jail once they actually do kill someone.

And these laws aren't in place to keep people quiet, it's to prevent people getting killed by the mobs fired up by the hate-speakers

[August]

Originally Posted by Betonov

It's free speech for me. I don't feel restricted.

Good for you. Lot's of people here don't feel they are homophobes just because they oppose granting special status and privileges to homosexuals.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by August

Good for you. Lot's of people here don't feel they are homophobes just because they oppose granting special status and privileges to homosexuals.

Same here.
It's not hate speech if you say I hate homos. It's hate speech when you say KILL THEM ALL !!!!!

[August]

Originally Posted by Betonov

It's hate speech when you say KILL THEM ALL !!!!!

Has this Wilders guy actually said that? If that is the case I could understand the reaction even if I disagree with it, but i'm pretty sure that is not so.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Now now, don't offend Vendor, if he goes on strike Subsimers will go uninformed and we'll be competely out of the loop

Yeah, we may have to access the news sites on the Internet Tubes all by our selves.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Yeah, we may have to access the news sites on the Internet Tubes all by our selves.

Hold on now, I'm fully capable of knowing what is right and wrong, but in the future you will get to sniff the news itself, which is not difficult

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

So what? Do you really think that if we recognize gay marriage, straight men and women will suddenly turn gay, which will threaten the survival of the species?

No, if we recognize gay marriage, all that will happen is that a large part of the population will no longer be discriminated against for no reason. They weren't going to have biological children anyway, so why stop them from getting married?

So expecting equal treatment under the law makes you self-centered?

Please use the search button and find at least three threads I recall where I have answered questions like that and explained my view in depth repeatedly in the past 6 months, and explained in full detail what the status of gay relations and singles has to do with the meaning of families for social societies, and why it is not discrimination at all to not ignore the difference between gay relations and couples getting children. Discussion of this problem is not really new in this forum . I have not heared a single reasonable argument back then that forces me to rethink my thoughts on the matter, only emotionally twisted biasses on display. I am sure that it would not be any different at all this time, so I save that time.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Please use the search button and find at least three threads I recall where I have answered questions like that and explained my view in depth repeatedly in the past 6 months, and explained in full detail what the status of gay relations and singles has to do with the meaning of families for social societies, and why it is not discrimination at all to not ignore the difference between gay relations and couples getting children. Discussion of this problem is not really new in this forum . I have not heared a single reasonable argument back then that forces me to rethink my thoughts on the matter, only emotionally twisted biasses on display. I am sure that it would not be any different at all this time, so I save that time.

Are you really sure about that...

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Please use the search button and find at least three threads I recall where I have answered questions like that and explained my view in depth repeatedly in the past 6 months, and explained in full detail what the status of gay relations and singles has to do with the meaning of families for social societies, and why it is not discrimination at all to not ignore the difference between gay relations and couples getting children. Discussion of this problem is not really new in this forum . I have not heared a single reasonable argument back then that forces me to rethink my thoughts on the matter, only emotionally twisted biasses on display. I am sure that it would not be any different at all this time, so I save that time.

Oh, I remember, "It's the duty of the state to ensure the continuance of society through support for families (because not discriminating against gays would be devastating to families!)." Or something like that. IIRC, you didn't answer my question last time either. Oh well.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Oh, I remember, "It's the duty of the state to ensure the continuance of society through support for families (because not discriminating against gays would be devastating to families!)." Or something like that. IIRC, you didn't answer my question last time either. Oh well.

I did. It was not that reply confirming you that you wanted to hear. And I seem to remember a lot of suggestive phrasing on your side. So: the ballroom is yours.