Il2 COD Tsunami

AVGWarhawk · 04-01-11, 02:35 PM

You got the idea then!

Everything is uber 'cept the pixel plane they like to fly. It's fur real...flown one myself I did. Yup!

Biggles · 04-01-11, 02:48 PM

Not much humor either...I can't believe noone has made a Beatles joke in this thread yet!

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...3253090/1.html

Or maybe it's just me that's just too much of a Beatlesfreak

tater · 04-01-11, 02:59 PM

Actually, the .50s were underpowered, as was clear to all when we could look inside and see how they were modeled vs other rounds. I used an early mod that simple belted the .50s properly with API, and they were considerably more effective vs jap planes (not so much vs german as you'd expect).

Wonder if the new one corrects the problem where a 20mm round flips your plane on its back like it does in il-2.

Takeda Shingen · 04-01-11, 03:05 PM

And I thought the SH5 s*** storm was bad. Well, can't say that the CoD problem wasn't brewing for some time. It's usually a bad sign when the series creator leaves.

tater · 04-01-11, 05:39 PM

I was stoked a while back about Storm of War (whatever it is now). What's the DRM deal.

Freiwillige · 04-01-11, 05:57 PM

IL2 did have allot of faults and I believe a hint of bias but most things were resolved over time by the creators of the Sim. I think allot of the issues were the massive plane sets and trying to balance them against each other in a historical way I think a few could slip through the cracks and be a bit Uber or Porked.

But the thing that bugged me most about it all is that the same people who screamed and ranted about 3 KMH speed differences and historical data this and that and this roll rate is off 4% from original are the exact same people that go online and dogfight 50 feet off the ground alone like its world war one!

It was hard if not impossible even with squads to get people to fly together in a historical fashion. In real life if you went off half cocked and put the rest of your squadron in danger you got demoted, Punished, stripped of your wings and thats if you lived through your idiocy.

In the game there is no incentive to stop you from just doing whatever you want.

Hottentot · 04-02-11, 01:45 AM

Ha, I knew I still had it on my computer somewhere! I got this text by email a long time ago and back then thought that whoever wrote it must have been a pissed off sim enthusiast. Reading this again made me appreciate the fact that the forums I frequent don't have these. Well, most of these anyway...

Quote:

How to recognize a forum whiner?

Topic is agressive/frustrated. "OoW (Object of Whining) sucks!!!!!111"

Topic is started after being beaten in an online match.

Topic includes word under- or overpowered. "OoW is underpowered!", "OoW is overpowered". Can also include words "Über" (usually spelled "Uber") or "Nerfed".

Whiner's side is always underpowered or nerfed. The opposing side is always overpowered or uber.

If it is possible to play two different sides in the game (for example Allied and Axis) a forum whiner always plays only one side and ardently refuses to play the other.

In some cases may insult the players of the other side with funny historical names, for example referring to the players of the axis side as "Nazis". Especially true if these particular individuals happen to disagree with the whiner.

If a disagreeing person can't be insulted with anything personal, he can always be called fanboy. For example "Why am I wasting my time here, arguing with the fanboys?!"

Also if a disagreeing person can't be insulted with anything personal, he can always be called "n00b" because the whiner has bigger post count.

Can't be proven wrong. When in doubt, starts calling the opposition by names.

Freedom of speech in forums means that you are allowed to call anyone who disagrees with you with most colorful and imaginary insults and accuse them of flaming when they use similar insults against you.

Gets banned for insulting the other forum members on regular basis. Will come back after a while to demand his freedom of speech and accuse the moderators for being fascists (and usually fanboys too).

If a player of the other side starts a topic discussing the possible problems of his side, no matter how the opinion is expressed, a forum whiner will always come to the thread and shout "Stop whining lol!!!!111".

Will try to change every possible thread's topic to discuss the apparent problems of the game. Even if the original topic was about how cute the kittens are.

Believes in a big global conspiracy against his country, especially if the game is not made in whiner's country.

Politics is a topic related to EVERYTHING.

Loves the word "patch". "Where is my patch?!", "Fix this in the patch!" "Why is the patch late again?!"

Quotes a long post as a whole and says "Disagree".

Creates a thread about the same topic every week even when the old thread(s) is/are still active.

If whining about anything being underpowered, puts the word "my" in front of the OoW. For example "My Tiger tank is underpowered!" or "My P-51 should be much better!"

If the game has historical context (World War II for example), whiner always finds quotes and numbers to support his claims and happily ignores all the quotes and numbers that are against his claims.

Whiner will always find an ace who flew whiner's favourite plane/drove his favourite tank/commanded his favourite naval vessel. After that whiner will start a topic where he will loudly wonder why he can't do exactly as well in the game as the ace did in real life after playing for whole five minutes.

Whiner will always find smaller whiner to admire and support him.

Whiner will always find someone from the other side and call him whiner.

If the game gets a sequel, it sucks. Period. If it is somehow different to the original game it's not canonical enough and if it's similar to the original game, it's just a clone meant for ripping off innocent customers.

Whiner knows the sequel sucks years before it has been released. Will still buy the sequel and play it for an hour. After that will rush to the forums and create ten threads which all containt the same "I told you so" message.

If possible to have an answer from the dev. team (and sometimes even when it isn't), whiner will insult them and loudly accuse them of bias.

The first post of the topic includes sentence "Dev. team should fix this!"

Expects the dev. team to apologize and correct "the problem" within an hour.

Has many persons. For example "We pay your wages so you should listen to what we want" or "We don't like this!"

Always wants new playable stuff because it's "vital" and the game "is not complete without it." After getting it, comes back in a month demanding something else.

Complains about playable stuff he got for free in a patch because he isn't interested in it. Starts demanding something else (see previous.)

If the new playable stuff is interesting, it's not modelled correctly (most often it's underpowered or nerfed).

Knows everything about game making and how easy it is to create new content for any game. Still refuses to contribute anything himself.

Everything said by the dev. team is a promise. If "the promise" is not fulfilled, the dev. team is just a sorry bunch of liars.

Will threaten not to buy the future products and/or leave the forum for good if "the problem" is not fixed.

Even if the whiner leaves, he will always be back in less than a week to let everyone know how much the game being discussed sucks.

tater · 04-02-11, 09:20 AM

What's the distilled wisdom for those of you following this at 1C?

A quick scan shows usual DRM complaints, but more worrying is the FR issue.

I read very little, but some guy defending the FRs got 40s over water, and 20s with "a decent few planes in the air." (and not everything was full detail, and a good rig)

For a flight sim, the game ever going under the mid 20s is unacceptable. Not for a heartbeat.

I thought the point of the new engine was realistic numbers of planes, too? I wanted to see hundreds of bombers at once.

Was that tossed ages ago after I stopped waiting for SOW?

TarJak · 04-03-11, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

It was hard if not impossible even with squads to get people to fly together in a historical fashion. In real life if you went off half cocked and put the rest of your squadron in danger you got demoted, Punished, stripped of your wings and thats if you lived through your idiocy.

In the game there is no incentive to stop you from just doing whatever you want.

And that's why places like this exist: http://iijg53.com/

To encourage cooperation and mutual support flying rather than just random lone wolf hunting at 50m. We are recruiting so if you are up for it give it a go. We are looking at converting over to CoD when things get sorted out a little more than they are.

joea · 04-04-11, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

And I thought the SH5 s*** storm was bad. Well, can't say that the CoD problem wasn't brewing for some time. It's usually a bad sign when the series creator leaves.

Err Oleg left the series-where did you hear this???

Blood_splat · 04-04-11, 05:11 AM

I think Oleg's son is having heart surgery. This is top priority right now for him.

HunterICX · 04-04-11, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joea

Err Oleg left the series-where did you hear this???

According to this he is to leave game development:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19350

HunterICX

04-01-11, 02:35 PM	#1
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,277 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	You got the idea then! Everything is uber 'cept the pixel plane they like to fly. It's fur real...flown one myself I did. Yup! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-01-11, 02:48 PM	#2
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Not much humor either...I can't believe noone has made a Beatles joke in this thread yet! http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...3253090/1.html Or maybe it's just me that's just too much of a Beatlesfreak __________________

04-01-11, 02:59 PM	#3
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Actually, the .50s were underpowered, as was clear to all when we could look inside and see how they were modeled vs other rounds. I used an early mod that simple belted the .50s properly with API, and they were considerably more effective vs jap planes (not so much vs german as you'd expect). Wonder if the new one corrects the problem where a 20mm round flips your plane on its back like it does in il-2. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

04-01-11, 05:39 PM	#5
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I was stoked a while back about Storm of War (whatever it is now). What's the DRM deal. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

04-02-11, 09:20 AM	#8
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	What's the distilled wisdom for those of you following this at 1C? A quick scan shows usual DRM complaints, but more worrying is the FR issue. I read very little, but some guy defending the FRs got 40s over water, and 20s with "a decent few planes in the air." (and not everything was full detail, and a good rig) For a flight sim, the game ever going under the mid 20s is unacceptable. Not for a heartbeat. I thought the point of the new engine was realistic numbers of planes, too? I wanted to see hundreds of bombers at once. Was that tossed ages ago after I stopped waiting for SOW? __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

04-01-11, 03:05 PM	#4
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	And I thought the SH5 s*** storm was bad. Well, can't say that the CoD problem wasn't brewing for some time. It's usually a bad sign when the series creator leaves.

04-01-11, 05:57 PM	#6
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	IL2 did have allot of faults and I believe a hint of bias but most things were resolved over time by the creators of the Sim. I think allot of the issues were the massive plane sets and trying to balance them against each other in a historical way I think a few could slip through the cracks and be a bit Uber or Porked. But the thing that bugged me most about it all is that the same people who screamed and ranted about 3 KMH speed differences and historical data this and that and this roll rate is off 4% from original are the exact same people that go online and dogfight 50 feet off the ground alone like its world war one! It was hard if not impossible even with squads to get people to fly together in a historical fashion. In real life if you went off half cocked and put the rest of your squadron in danger you got demoted, Punished, stripped of your wings and thats if you lived through your idiocy. In the game there is no incentive to stop you from just doing whatever you want.

04-04-11, 05:11 AM	#11
Blood_splat Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Beneath the waves Posts: 568 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I think Oleg's son is having heart surgery. This is top priority right now for him.