Anchor babies, and "Maternity tourists"

tater · 03-29-11, 08:00 PM

Least if the kids utilize their American citizenship later—they will be rich (assuming the rich part is right). That means they will actually contribute meaningful taxes. Kids of illegals are likely to never find themselves in a tax bracket that even pays a fair share, much less overpays to support others.

BTW, while I am still against this practice (I think the parents need to at least be LEGAL residents to have a US kid), the US needs more people, not fewer. Immigration overall is good for the US, the more the better.

August · 03-29-11, 08:36 PM

Wealthy Chinese having American anchor babies sounds like sort of like an insurance policy that if things go bad in the homeland they have someplace to run to. Not an unreasonable thing to do I think, given that the Chinese regime was merrily executing folks just like them not all that long ago.

Growler · 03-29-11, 08:47 PM

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Wealthy Chinese having American anchor babies sounds like sort of like an insurance policy that if things go bad in the homeland they have someplace to run to. Not an unreasonable thing to do I think, given that the Chinese regime was merrily executing folks just like them not all that long ago.

21st Century Boat People.

Ducimus · 03-29-11, 08:56 PM

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Immigration overall is good for the US, the more the better.

NOOOOOO! We need fewer people! This place is bloody crowded! At least California is. This place is way overpopulated. Has been for several years. Your constantly having to step over or around some idiot, some moron, some retard, some dick, some schmuck, some jack wagon that is constantly in your way. I'm sick of it. Need elbow room dammit!

Growler · 03-29-11, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

NOOOOOO! We need fewer people! This place is bloody crowded! At least California is. This place is way overpopulated. Has been for several years. Your constantly having to step over or around some idiot, some moron, some retard, some dick, some schmuck, some jack wagon that is constantly in your way. I'm sick of it. Need elbow room dammit!

Shoot, then stay out of the Bos-Was corridor over on the East Coast, if you're feeling crowded.

From may experience on the I-5 and I-10 around LA and down to San Diego, at least the traffic seemed to make sense. The Beltways around Baltimore/Washington, and I-95 in general would make the baby Jesus swear off breast milk for Jack Daniels' and Marlboros.

Ducimus · 03-29-11, 09:08 PM

I have no east coast aspirations. Maybe visit DC once, see the smithsonian and all of that, but that's about it. I learned awhile ago, born and raised out west? Stay out west!

Problem is, all these damn people started to move here, and they come from all over.

Growler · 03-30-11, 11:06 AM

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I have no east coast aspirations. Maybe visit DC once, see the smithsonian and all of that, but that's about it. I learned awhile ago, born and raised out west? Stay out west!

Problem is, all these damn people started to move here, and they come from all over.

Hate to say it, Ducimus, but having lived here in the hell that is the Bos-Was corridor all my life, I'm heading out to SoCal - either Diego or the mountains - as soon as I can. I'll probably be renting for the rest of my life, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be a miserable old East Coast prat for much longer.

tater · 03-30-11, 11:19 AM

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Hate to say it, Ducimus, but having lived here in the hell that is the Bos-Was corridor all my life, I'm heading out to SoCal - either Diego or the mountains - as soon as I can. I'll probably be renting for the rest of my life, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be a miserable old East Coast prat for much longer.

Having been to LA, San Diego, and now San Francisco (limited travels in CA, I realize), I have to say I like SF the best by far. Urban, but still felt townish in some ways. Looked like you could get out away from the city, too, but still be able to visit (though I think the Bay area tends to be expensive, or if not as expensive, not where you'd wanna live).

For the west there is always the mountain states. Far less crowded, but you'll get a fair bit of winter north of New Mexico (and a decent amount in northern NM). Also way cheaper.

August · 03-30-11, 11:30 AM

Having lived for a short time in Monterey (Ft Ord) I have to say California is beautiful but I would never want to live there. Too expensive and the population is too nutty for my tastes.

Ducimus · 03-30-11, 11:44 AM

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I agree in unrealistic principle, but then reality sets in. The US needs more workers.

We do? And here i thought we had more workers then we had jobs to go around.

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If you look at the current population, much of it is a big bubble of old people.

Retiring baby boomers as i recall. Id add on to that, but i think i'll let it go .

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Urban types will cram together, and there is still loads of room. The entire population of the Earth could fit in an area the size of Yugoslavia with a population density equal to Orange County, CA.

Room is not really a problem.

Have you tried living around Orange county Ca? I have. Hell, im through that area, every stinking day. Every hear of the "orange crush"? How about that joy of joy's called the 91 freeway? Every try renting out here? In Anaheim, you can expect a single room apartment to run you 1300 dollars a month. And that price quote is from 2 or 3 years ago. Since rent ONLY goes up around here, and NEVER goes down, i shudder to think what it is now.I also shudder to think what rent will be 5 years from now. I've lived in apartments for the last 11 or 12 years, i have NEVER seen rent stay the same or go down. ONLY UP UP UP UP UP U UUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!

*cough* s'cuse me... had a spastic moment there.

The thing is, i remember how southern california used to be. And i see how it is now. I have a point of comparison, and i don't like the changes.

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Hate to say it, Ducimus, but having lived here in the hell that is the Bos-Was corridor all my life, I'm heading out to SoCal - either Diego or the mountains - as soon as I can. I'll probably be renting for the rest of my life, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be a miserable old East Coast prat for much longer.

Hell from the sounds of things you might like it out here. As far as I'm concerned,, you can have it, and everything that goes with it. Hopefully i'll be long gone in the next few months.

tater · 03-29-11, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

NOOOOOO! We need fewer people! This place is bloody crowded! At least California is. This place is way overpopulated. Has been for several years. Your constantly having to step over or around some idiot, some moron, some retard, some dick, some schmuck, some jack wagon that is constantly in your way. I'm sick of it. Need elbow room dammit!

I agree in unrealistic principle, but then reality sets in. The US needs more workers. If you look at the current population, much of it is a big bubble of old people. Urban types will cram together, and there is still loads of room. The entire population of the Earth could fit in an area the size of Yugoslavia with a population density equal to Orange County, CA.

Room is not really a problem.

August · 03-29-11, 10:31 PM

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The entire population of the Earth could fit in an area the size of Yugoslavia with a population density equal to Orange County, CA.

For about 15 seconds before we reached critical mass and exploded.

Betonov · 03-30-11, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

I agree in unrealistic principle, but then reality sets in. The US needs more workers. If you look at the current population, much of it is a big bubble of old people. Urban types will cram together, and there is still loads of room. The entire population of the Earth could fit in an area the size of Yugoslavia with a population density equal to Orange County, CA.

Room is not really a problem.

Ahhhhh Yugoslavia, the memories

Would that be the pre 1991 Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRJ) or post 1991 Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (ZRJ), renamed Serbia after Milosević. Because SFRJ was big, seven billion people could live there but denser than Bangladesh

tater · 03-30-11, 04:49 PM

That was an old stat from the 80s I think. Regardless, I never checked it. It's no longer correct, assuming it was at the time, or I remember it right.

Looks like they'd all fit into Iran with the pop density of Orange County, CA.

03-29-11, 08:00 PM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Least if the kids utilize their American citizenship later—they will be rich (assuming the rich part is right). That means they will actually contribute meaningful taxes. Kids of illegals are likely to never find themselves in a tax bracket that even pays a fair share, much less overpays to support others. BTW, while I am still against this practice (I think the parents need to at least be LEGAL residents to have a US kid), the US needs more people, not fewer. Immigration overall is good for the US, the more the better. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,227 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Wealthy Chinese having American anchor babies sounds like sort of like an insurance policy that if things go bad in the homeland they have someplace to run to. Not an unreasonable thing to do I think, given that the Chinese regime was merrily executing folks just like them not all that long ago. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,227 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Having lived for a short time in Monterey (Ft Ord) I have to say California is beautiful but I would never want to live there. Too expensive and the population is too nutty for my tastes. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

03-30-11, 04:49 PM	#14
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	That was an old stat from the 80s I think. Regardless, I never checked it. It's no longer correct, assuming it was at the time, or I remember it right. Looks like they'd all fit into Iran with the pop density of Orange County, CA. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

03-29-11, 09:08 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I have no east coast aspirations. Maybe visit DC once, see the smithsonian and all of that, but that's about it. I learned awhile ago, born and raised out west? Stay out west! Problem is, all these damn people started to move here, and they come from all over.