Germany: Angela Merkel 'loses key state election'

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Vendor

That I live and do things in a different world there is absolutely no doubt, but when you mention the word "numbers" you refer to money or other things? Otherwise, it may well be said that Germany and Sweden are very common and it can hardly be any news, I visit Germany quite frequently and I have positive elements of the country and it goes back many years,long before the wall collapse

Age structure and demographic trend.

High vulnerability due to extreme dependency on exports.

High risks due to the Euro rescue.

Highly deficitary budgets.

high debts.

Budget deficits and debts growing due to bailing out other Euro-countries.

Self-imploding spiral of interest-service (="spiral of death"). In the long run, this is the most lethal aspect of all.

"Made in Germany" having lost relevance, others have closed the quality gap since long, even often surpassed us. Brain drain, technology transfer.

Suicidal feedback by exaggerated social system due to few and fewer young peopople having to come up for more and more old people (consider demographics mentioned above).

Fact is that first rasting agencies have started to consider to downgrade Germany's credibility. The markets start to realise that Germany allowed to get hopelessly overburdened with bailing out budget offenders now and in the future.

We accepted more responsibilities than even our economy could shoulder. But the distortions started much earlier, decades earlier: the culture od making debts, debts and more debts.The prediction for out future status already was critical before the economic global crisis and the Euro crisis broke out. The Euro - just gave us the rest.

Wait some years, you will see I am right. Markets alrerady have started slightly against Germany, since aroudn one year - they realised that we bit off more thna we cvould chew, that the Euro obligations we accepted will overwhelm us sooner or later, and also that there is prey to make.

Politicians, of course, do not tell you such things. Where Portugal, Japan (I mean the economy and fiances, not the disaster), Greece, the US and England already are today, we will be in future years not too far away.

You comared Germany to Sweden. You better don'T The Swedes have a relatively stable and solid currency, like the Swiss as well, and they have started to move away from their former super-socalistic community utopia as well. Also, the German bureaucracy is extremely unflexible and petrified. The superimposed EU bureaucracy do not especially help in this.

Sweden and Switzerland are in much better positions than Germany, for several reasons. And they would be stupid to join the Eurozone, or submit to Brussel's regime (Switzerland). They have little to gain and much to lose.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Age structure and demographic trend.

High vulnerability due to extreme dependency on exports.

High risks due to the Euro rescue.

Highly deficitary budgets.

high debts.

Budget deficits and debts growing due to bailing out other Euro-countries.

Self-imploding spiral of interest-service (="spiral of death"). In the long run, this is the most lethal aspect of all.

"Made in Germany" having lost relevance, others have closed the quality gap since long, even often surpassed us. Brain drain, technology transfer.

Suicidal feedback by exaggerated social system due to few and fewer young peopople having to come up for more and more old people (consider demographics mentioned above).

Fact is that first rasting agencies have started to consider to downgrade Germany's credibility. The markets start to realise that Germany allowed to get hopelessly overburdened with bailing out budget offenders now and in the future.

We accepted more responsibilities than even our economy could shoulder. But the distortions started much earlier, decades earlier: the culture od making debts, debts and more debts.The prediction for out future status already was critical before the economic global crisis and the Euro crisis broke out. The Euro - just gave us the rest.

Wait some years, you will see I am right. Markets alrerady have started slightly against Germany, since aroudn one year - they realised that we bit off more thna we cvould chew, that the Euro obligations we accepted will overwhelm us sooner or later, and also that there is prey to make.

Politicians, of course, do not tell you such things. Where Portugal, Japan (I mean the economy and fiances, not the disaster), Greece, the US and England already are today, we will be in future years not too far away.

You comared Germany to Sweden. You better don'T The Swedes have a relatively stable and solid currency, like the Swiss as well, and they have started to move away from their former super-socalistic community utopia as well. Also, the German bureaucracy is extremely unflexible and petrified. The superimposed EU bureaucracy do not especially help in this.

Sweden and Switzerland are in much better positions than Germany, for several reasons. And they would be stupid to join the Eurozone, or submit to Brussel's regime (Switzerland). They have little to gain and much to lose.

I agree with what you say, and a currency change to leave the SEK to the Euro, is not up to date and has not been so, perhaps a bit at the beginning of the "new" era of the euro, but now ice cold, and their removal from the (S) is no negative it either,my trips to Germany is of an entirely different character, so that I might like to be a shame is that some eateries in Köln serving cold food,

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Age structure and demographic trend.

High vulnerability due to extreme dependency on exports.

High risks due to the Euro rescue.

Highly deficitary budgets.

high debts.

Budget deficits and debts growing due to bailing out other Euro-countries.

Self-imploding spiral of interest-service (="spiral of death"). In the long run, this is the most lethal aspect of all.

"Made in Germany" having lost relevance, others have closed the quality gap since long, even often surpassed us. Brain drain, technology transfer.

Suicidal feedback by exaggerated social system due to few and fewer young peopople having to come up for more and more old people (consider demographics mentioned above).

Fact is that first rasting agencies have started to consider to downgrade Germany's credibility. The markets start to realise that Germany allowed to get hopelessly overburdened with bailing out budget offenders now and in the future.

We accepted more responsibilities than even our economy could shoulder. But the distortions started much earlier, decades earlier: the culture od making debts, debts and more debts.The prediction for out future status already was critical before the economic global crisis and the Euro crisis broke out. The Euro - just gave us the rest.

Wait some years, you will see I am right. Markets alrerady have started slightly against Germany, since aroudn one year - they realised that we bit off more thna we cvould chew, that the Euro obligations we accepted will overwhelm us sooner or later, and also that there is prey to make.

Politicians, of course, do not tell you such things. Where Portugal, Japan (I mean the economy and fiances, not the disaster), Greece, the US and England already are today, we will be in future years not too far away.

You comared Germany to Sweden. You better don'T The Swedes have a relatively stable and solid currency, like the Swiss as well, and they have started to move away from their former super-socalistic community utopia as well. Also, the German bureaucracy is extremely unflexible and petrified. The superimposed EU bureaucracy do not especially help in this.

Sweden and Switzerland are in much better positions than Germany, for several reasons. And they would be stupid to join the Eurozone, or submit to Brussel's regime (Switzerland). They have little to gain and much to lose.

Lol....stop feeding the you know what

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Lol....stop feeding the you know what

behave yourself now

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Lol....stop feeding the you know what

Russland uber alles!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Russland uber alles!

Never mind the quality...feel the width.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Never mind the quality...feel the width.

[Skybird]

Unfortunately only for those understanding German a bit: a superb essay about the factitiousness of the Greens, and the inevitable schizophrenia of a wealthy society that wants to be "green". Usually I do not read the Sueddeutsche Zeitung, it is one of the most manipulative - often leftist and politically correct - national newsppapers there are in Germany, but this essay I got a link for by a friend. And it is spot on, and rips a collective mask off our society.

The hour of the hypocrites

[Gerald]

They "green" levy victory because of a very serious nuclear accident, which they soon make it impossible to rely on what other countries and what happens there, very naively thought

[Skybird]

While Fukujima helped them, it is not the basic casue for their wins (tripling in one state, there were two election on sunday). The greens are in a long trend upwards over here. Some even see them having overtaken the SPD in meaning of being the traditional prime rival of the conservatives.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

While Fukujima helped them, it is not the basic casue for their wins (tripling in one state, there were two election on sunday). The greens are in a long trend upwards over here. Some even see them having overtaken the SPD in meaning of being the traditional prime rival of the conservatives.

So what about the overall outcome, do you think