Only In Florida (legislature tries to pass another Intelligent design bill)

[Betonov]

"Why do we still have apes if we came from them?" Wise asked during an interview with the Tampa's WMNF.

Why do we still have Europeans, if Americans came from them....

[razark]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Why do we still have Europeans, if Americans came from them....

If man was made from dirt, why do we still have dirt?

If woman was made from rib, why do we still have ribs?

[Growler]

*headdesk*

Remind me never to move to Florida. Ever.

[Torplexed]

Given his dumb statement, I have a feeling that Chairman Wise would probably also be confused about why we still have chairs.

[tater]

Wow, truly idiotic.

Just to show that both sides are anti-science, the democrats in NM tried to pass (passed in the house) a bill to allow chiropractors to prescribe drugs. Might as well have added crystal healers to that as well (chiropractors are to medical science what ID "researchers" are to biology (quacks) ).

[Stealth Hunter]

Our state of Texas is trying the same thing again, too.

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2...t-creationists

An institution of higher education may not discriminate against or penalize in any manner, especially with regard to employment or academic support, a faculty member or student based on the faculty member's or student's conduct of research relating to the theory of intelligent design or other alternate theories of the origination and development of organisms.

Given how poorly we're doing in the science department internationally, I fail to see how this will help matters any further- indeed, it seems this would merely exacerbate things.

Link: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillL...2R&Bill=HB2454

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by tater

Wow, truly idiotic.

Just to show that both sides are anti-science, the democrats in NM tried to pass (passed in the house) a bill to allow chiropractors to prescribe drugs. Might as well have added crystal healers to that as well (chiropractors are to medical science what ID "researchers" are to biology (quacks) ).

The difference we actually have use for ciropractors, but they are not supposed to prescribe drugs.
ID people are usefull only as side guards on a ship, you tie a rope around their neck and throw the overboard while in port

[yubba]

Florida 3.9 billion in the red, education they say, think of the children, maybe, some one needs to learn, how to count

[tater]

Originally Posted by Betonov

The difference we actually have use for ciropractors, but they are not supposed to prescribe drugs.
ID people are usefull only as side guards on a ship, you tie a rope around their neck and throw the overboard while in port

We have as much use of chiropractors as ID people.

They claim that all disease (all) can be treated by spinal manipulation. No chiropractic has unambiguous controlled studies showing any efficacy. Are there real medical treatments of ambiguous efficacy when they start? Sure. But not ALL real medical practice.

Chiropractic is no more "medical" than crystal healing. The NM democrats voted party line to support it as "real" medicine in the house. Luckily it got killed in a senate committee because of a single democrat who wasn't a loon.

This is not to dilute the idiocy of ID, and any laws conflating ID with science, which is transcendent . I'm just saying that you get emotion and irrationality on both sides of the aisle, just different subjects. You could add much of "environmentalism" and AGW to that as well (note that I think AGW is an entirely legitimate hypothesis, and I'm willing to be 100% on board once they have a robust, predictive model the demonstrates itself vs real observations, not vs other models—I remain scientifically skeptical until then, but completely open-minded to it (I think it is too politicized (by a lot) right now as a field, which is much of the problem)). Environmentalism is also very often entirely irrational—and I consider myself a VERY strict environmentalist from a libertarian POV... pollute as much as you like on YOUR property, but if so much as 1 part per billion touches MY property, you are invading my sovereignty. This libertarian-enviro viewpoint is 100% consistent, and requires no government fiat. Do what you like, then if I detect any evidence of your pollution, I sue you for everything you have.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by tater

We have as much use of chiropractors as ID people...

Ups, I think we have a case of bad translation. Here a chiropractic is an MD, that you go to if you have a bad back, or you had a back injury

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by tater

They claim that all disease (all) can be treated by spinal manipulation.

Not all chiropractors claim that. As a data point, every single chiropractor I have seen over the past 20 + years, as not shared this view.

Are you, perhaps creating a strawman argument here?

Can you provide a citation that supports your claim that all chiropractors feel that all diseases can be treated by spinal manipulation? I would be very interested in reading that.