Libyan No-Fly Zone res. passed by UN - Page 3

Penguin · 03-17-11, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

lmao

great song; gonna send that to a WSO acquaintance of mine

03-17-11, 07:47 PM

As the French did not allow the U.S. to fly over way back when?
Let them handle this now.
Or maybe just pay the U.S. what they owe?

We don't need to send Fighters, just send in the Drones!
Best way to insure a no fly zone is to take out the planes on the ground.

Bakkels · 03-17-11, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

It's a civil war within it's own sovereign borders. Why in the heck are we getting involved yet again in others business? It has nothing, zero, zilch to do with the United States of America or any other European nation for that matter.

Just my thoughts let the war drums beat yet again.

Nothing to add to that.

Oberon · 03-17-11, 09:00 PM

I'm with Joe, August and Skybird on this one. If this decision was going to be made it should have been made last month. It's obvious that the western viewpoint is now anti-revolution rather than pro because we're fine with the Saudis smacking down the Bahrainian (is that the plural?) revolution and the Saudis are the wests BFF (or so they like us to think).

Still, it'll be pretty AAA fireworks over Tripoli again .

Torplexed · 03-17-11, 09:25 PM

This can only end in tears.

Castout · 03-17-11, 09:31 PM

I'd guess it would not take long before Gaddafi is ousted. Not long. I hope as many lives could be saved. I can't imagine what happened to captured rebels and their families and the families in the once rebel held towns.

haegemon · 03-17-11, 10:36 PM

The fight if there's any at all will be short. The tedious part will be patrolling the skys. At the moment what is confirmed is the next:

US = IN - Carrier fleet
UK = IN - planes, ¿fleet?
France = IN - planes
Canada = IN - planes
Italy = IN - airbases, ¿planes?
United Arab Emirates = IN - planes
Qtar = IN - planes

Germany = OUT
Egypt = OUT (instead is shipping weapons to the rebel army)

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

It's a civil war within it's own sovereign borders. Why in the heck are we getting involved yet again in others business? It has nothing, zero, zilch to do with the United States of America or any other European nation for that matter.

Just my thoughts let the war drums beat yet again.

The Spanish civil war also was inside sovereign borders however there were on the battlefield: with the fascist side german troops, german and italian fighters and bombers, and with the other side russian planes and operatives, and what was called international brigades (US, UK, French...volunteers).

So...nope, sovereignity is relative as always has been.

Feuer Frei! · 03-18-11, 01:02 AM

Bombs away!

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THE UN Security Council has authorised air strikes to halt Muammar Gaddafi's offensive against embattled rebel forces in Libya, with the first bombing raids possible within hours. The Council today voted to permit "all necessary measures" to impose a no-fly zone, protect civilian areas and impose a ceasefire on Gaddafi's military. Enforcement will rely on air power as the resolution rules out sending ground troops.
After the vote, US President Barack Obama today discussed the resolution with UK Prime Minister David Cameron and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
"The leaders agreed that Libya must immediately comply with all terms of the resolution and that violence against the civilian population of Libya must cease," the White House said in a statement.
The leaders agreed to coordinate closely on next steps, and to continue working with Arab and other international partners to ensure the enforcement of UN Security Council resolutions on Libya.

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The European Union also welcomed the resolution and said it was "ready to implement" it.

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Rest of article HERE

krashkart · 03-18-11, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by article

Enforcement will rely on air power as the resolution rules out sending conventional ground troops.

Fixed. There will always be a handful of cuffed deuces on the ground in these places.

papa_smurf · 03-18-11, 05:22 AM

Time to send out Ark Roy.....oh wait shes been decommissioned

TarJak · 03-18-11, 05:34 AM

Too little too late me thinks. I'm with Joe, August and Skybird. Never been a conspiracy theorist, bu the hand wringing up till today when Benghazi is surrounded, makes me think something is rotten in the state of Libya.

Tarrasque · 03-18-11, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by papa_smurf

Time to send out Ark Roy.....oh wait shes been decommissioned

Nah, it's OK, our Harriers can fly off.....oh yeah.

Not sure what the hell our government is doing. They've pretty much crippled our armed forces, both with regards to equipment and also morale. They've also crippled our economy. But it's OK to get involved in yet another attempted regime change. This is despite them being violently against the last one in Iraq.

Hypocritical slimy lying pieces of ****

the_tyrant · 03-18-11, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by privateer

We don't need to send Fighters, just send in the Drones!
Best way to insure a no fly zone is to take out the planes on the ground.

Would Gaddafi claim to be
"protecting Libya from robot invaders?"

Skybird · 03-18-11, 07:11 AM

German media report that British Typhoons and Tornadoes are currently inflight to relocate to the theatre, probably Sicily I think. The French are said to prepare strikes with Mirages, from Southen France they could reach Lybia with maybe 2 or 3 inflight-refuelings. The Americans sooner or later probably send in a carrier. Italy donours airport facilities. UAE sends fighter planes.

And Germany sends cosy words of self-justification, and a late permission to use more German AWACS personell to Afghanistan.

Yeah, us Germans.

Instead of "Never again war!" we should have subscribed to a different slogan: "Next time in defence of liberty instead of tyranny!" I hate my nation's basic attitude of always ashes on our heads. It so pitiful, and weak.

British Typhoons. Will this become the first real test for the European fighter to claim prey in a shooting war?

We should have done this earlier. When the rebels said they would welcome Wetsern air support, we should have send that in, but no ground troops. Just neutralising Gaddafi's airforce and heavy artillery and tanks. And kill the Gaddafi clan, if the opportunity arises. The rest, on the ground, the Lybians should have settled amongst themselves.

Oberon · 03-18-11, 07:19 AM

Yes, looks that way, I thought we'd sent them out to Afghanistan but it seems we didn't. Will be interesting to see how they handle against the Libyan Air Force...not that the Libyan Air Force is exactly that high tech, still, it'll give our boys some much needed air to air practice if it does go hot.

Personally I think Daffy will just ground his airforce and hide them like Saddam did.

03-17-11, 09:25 PM	#35
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	This can only end in tears. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

03-17-11, 09:31 PM	#36
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	I'd guess it would not take long before Gaddafi is ousted. Not long. I hope as many lives could be saved. I can't imagine what happened to captured rebels and their families and the families in the once rebel held towns. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/

03-18-11, 05:22 AM	#40
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Time to send out Ark Roy.....oh wait shes been decommissioned __________________

03-18-11, 07:11 AM	#44
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,643 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	German media report that British Typhoons and Tornadoes are currently inflight to relocate to the theatre, probably Sicily I think. The French are said to prepare strikes with Mirages, from Southen France they could reach Lybia with maybe 2 or 3 inflight-refuelings. The Americans sooner or later probably send in a carrier. Italy donours airport facilities. UAE sends fighter planes. And Germany sends cosy words of self-justification, and a late permission to use more German AWACS personell to Afghanistan. Yeah, us Germans. Instead of "Never again war!" we should have subscribed to a different slogan: "Next time in defence of liberty instead of tyranny!" I hate my nation's basic attitude of always ashes on our heads. It so pitiful, and weak. British Typhoons. Will this become the first real test for the European fighter to claim prey in a shooting war? We should have done this earlier. When the rebels said they would welcome Wetsern air support, we should have send that in, but no ground troops. Just neutralising Gaddafi's airforce and heavy artillery and tanks. And kill the Gaddafi clan, if the opportunity arises. The rest, on the ground, the Lybians should have settled amongst themselves. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-17-11, 07:47 PM	#32
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	As the French did not allow the U.S. to fly over way back when? Let them handle this now. Or maybe just pay the U.S. what they owe? We don't need to send Fighters, just send in the Drones! Best way to insure a no fly zone is to take out the planes on the ground.

03-17-11, 09:00 PM	#34
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I'm with Joe, August and Skybird on this one. If this decision was going to be made it should have been made last month. It's obvious that the western viewpoint is now anti-revolution rather than pro because we're fine with the Saudis smacking down the Bahrainian (is that the plural?) revolution and the Saudis are the wests BFF (or so they like us to think). Still, it'll be pretty AAA fireworks over Tripoli again .

03-18-11, 05:34 AM	#41
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Too little too late me thinks. I'm with Joe, August and Skybird. Never been a conspiracy theorist, bu the hand wringing up till today when Benghazi is surrounded, makes me think something is rotten in the state of Libya.

03-18-11, 07:19 AM	#45
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Yes, looks that way, I thought we'd sent them out to Afghanistan but it seems we didn't. Will be interesting to see how they handle against the Libyan Air Force...not that the Libyan Air Force is exactly that high tech, still, it'll give our boys some much needed air to air practice if it does go hot. Personally I think Daffy will just ground his airforce and hide them like Saddam did.