Frankfurt Airport shooting

[Ducimus]

Airmen. Not solider. Airmen. Being an Airman isn't the most glamorous title in military circles, but i think it's still respectful to call them for who they were.


In related news.....
Gunman Shouting 'Allahu Akbar' Kills 2 US Airmen in Germany

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

His profile(if it is indeed him) puts him as a flag waving nationalist who loves his country

Tribes, he was a devout muslim yelling "god is great" in arabic....

[Skybird]

German BKA gets referred to with quotes of them assuming it to be a targetted intentional attack against Americans, no random attack. The uncle of the attacker said he is a devout Muslim believer. His parents came to Germany 40 years ago. He had plenty of more ammunition with him.

From: various German media.

First politicians got "quoted" with avoiding to call it an attack motivated by religious ideology. It cannot be what shall not be.

Quelle surprise. It successfully never has anything to do with it since 9/11.

It's in the most recent news reports

Did I mention anything about what he yelled?
Read again the post you took issue with then get back when you have something to say about what I wrote not what you would like to think I wrote.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Regardless of race, colour, creed, religion or anything else for that matter....a murderer is a murderer.

You are right about this, but as this crime seems to be political/religious motivated it is imo important to take a look into the gunman's background. If he quacks I am in favour to call a duck "a duck". Could this reenforce prejudices? Maybe, but you won't eliminate prejudices if you sweep his background and motivation under the carpet.

As a cop you certainly know when the press talks about your job: mostly only when some cop behaves out of his bounds. You should only be alarmed if the press - or some sunny paper - writes: "Sensation! A law-abiding, non-corrupt policeman did a good job!"

Originally Posted by jimbuna

My sympathies to the families and loved ones of the victims.

[Skybird]

German media confirms the shooter to be a "radicalised Islamist".

[Feuer Frei!]

This goes hand in hand with the uprisings across the Muslim world.
They have re-learned that fighting a professional military force head on (even in asymetrical warfare) is onerous.

I think we have entered the era of fifth generational warfare. The enemy is everywhere, if not massing in the streets to bring things to halt then he is right behind you.

Here are pictures of Arid Uka:




Muslim worshipper, nothing new there.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

They have re-learned that fighting a professional military force head on (even in asymetrical warfare) is onerous.

I think we have entered the era of fifth generational warfare. The enemy is everywhere, if not massing in the streets to bring things to halt then he is right behind you.

The main weapon they use now is demographics, birth rates and migration. They couldn't beat us in Europe by means of war (although our ancestors were extremely lucky on a number of occasions), so now they try to "outbreed" us.

[Feuer Frei!]

It is a relearning because the Rebel Judeans resorted to knifing Roman Soldiers, and the Assasian cult relied on sneaky one on one knife attacks to kill Crusaders.

Think of the similarities in imagery: a little nobody using a basic knife to take on heavily armed and armored Western Troopers (i.e. Roman Legionaries or Christian Crusaders is similar to a little nobody jumping up and popping at U.S. Soldiers.

The Roman empire during it's hight extended into the Middle East with the provinces of Asia Minor, Judea and Egypt. During this era they faced a similar extremism the U.S. does today.
Religious fundamentalism.
A very basic mistake for Westerns is to assume that Muslim culture, religion, and society can ever be divorced anymore than the Judeans could imagine a world in which a statue of the Emperor could be allowed in the Temple. For thousands of years this has been the way of monotheistic Middle Eastern religions (Judaism, Islam, or even Christianity.)
Corruption, greed, political intrigue, fanaticism, and religious exclusion have for centuries played a major role in the world of Western Asia. All of which prevent perfect peace from forming only levels of quiet.

The main weapon they use now is demographics

Yeah this prick shot the 4 people with demographics.
Then again someone mentioned demographics already in this topic...and they managed to post a clearly obvious lie about population shifts.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

But he has been democratically elected, so there must be something positive in all this.

The way you say that, sounds like you are suggesting there is a better way to choose leaders?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

The way you say that, sounds like you are suggesting there is a better way to choose leaders?

The way I said that was meant to hint at that many Europeans tend to demand all those freedoms and choices for the Muhameddan world and many other parts of the third world, without considering that it sometimes is right these choices and freedoms bringing the worst of the worst to power, and the greatest enemies of our way of living and of those freedoms we want to see them being given - just to wake up one day later and realise that they have turned these our freedoms and our good will against us. There must be limits to our tolerance.

Some people make a holy grail of democratic choice, as if that would guarantee in any way that the best, the most noble and altruistic, the most competent and honest would win, no matter in what social/political/cultural environment, and they do not care for allowing their own destruction being tried on the basis of right this value. That is the point where I refuse to follow any longer. I did in the past, but realised that it is no good to do so. To me, democractic structures are only an acceptable choice in some conditions - not in all. I see places in the world and I can imagine scenarios (and argued in their defence in past years and threads), where I think other ways of running a place are more promising to function.

Realpolitik, that is. Because I think just having good intention alone, is no value in itself. In fact it seems to have done much more worse than good in history. Maybe that does not make me a shining example of a fanatic democrat. But it brings me much more into congruence with realities, and makes me less prone to falling for wishful thinking.

[Onkel Neal]

Well, even with disfunctional societies, I favor democracy. If, like pre-Nazi Germany, they democratically choose fascists, then there will be trouble, but that's just the price of freedom. It's like Tiger Blood, you either have it or you don't.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Well, even with disfunctional societies, I favor democracy. If, like pre-Nazi Germany, they democratically choose fascists, then there will be trouble, but that's just the price of freedom. It's like Tiger Blood, you either have it or you don't.

For ourselves, that may be so. But for certain others - if others vote for personell causing troubles not onply to them but also to us, then I fail to see the need that we should accept that just becasue the othewrs have elected them.

In the end it comes down to the endless debate I had with Steve two months ago or so, about the tolerance-paradoxon: that tolerance needs limits in that it should not toleratew the intolerant,. for this wpould mean that the intolerant wipe out the tolerant ones, and tolerance with them. It is the same with freedom.

[tater]

If you yell allahu akbhar when attacking, you're an jihadist, or otherwise motivated by Islam to commit your crime.