[REQ] Possible to stabilize only the UZO ?

[Magic1111]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But why would you want to? I can understand the desire for a gamer to want to make it easier, but, as I said, I see no way that this could have been done in real life.

Please let us not discuss about it´s real or not....! I think furthermore my description about the UZO here: http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radio...99&postcount=3 is historically correct and I want this in game too ! That´s all !

And now I need help to adjust this in SH5 (as I do this very easy via S3D in SH3) !

Best regards,
Magic

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Magic1111

Please let us not discuss about it´s real or not....! I think furthermore my description about the UZO here: http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radio...99&postcount=3 is historically correct and I want this in game too ! That´s all !

And now I need help to adjust this in SH5 (as I do this very easy via S3D in SH3) !

Best regards,
Magic

you can of course choose to mod your own game any way you wish, but no, it is not historically correct.

[stoianm]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

you can of course choose to mod your own game any way you wish, but no, it is not historically correct.

- now i do not know how it was in real... i know that magic1111 love very much uboat history and he readed a lot of books about... and i know that you are well informed all the time
so can you point me where to read some inf about UZO to see what was for real?

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by stoianm

- now i do not know how it was in real... i know that magic1111 love very much uboat history and he readed a lot of books about... and i know that you are well informed all the time
so can you point me where to read some inf about UZO to see what was for real?

There was nothing magical about the UZO. It was a simple pair of binoculars strapped to a fixed point. No rangefinding mechanism, although you could send the bearing.

If you look at the photos I posted above, the UZO was fixed with a large axis on each side so you could pivot it up and down and keep a ship fixed even though the U-boat's bow was going up and down. However, since the "stabilizing" was done by the crewman, it would not work in very heavy seas. Furthermore, there is no stabilizing whatsoever for waves coming from the side.

Now let's look at the periscope. True, there is no stabilizing mechanism whatsoever, but that is because you don't need one. A sub underwater at 45-60 feet is much less affected by surface waves, so less side to side movement than if it is on the surface. In respect of fore and aft movement, you have the entire 220+ feet length of the hull underwater acting as a stabilizer, so little movement that way either.

so, you have two options, either of which can be seen as correct:

1. scope stabilized, UZO not stabilized;
2. scope stabilized, UZO stabilised;

options 1 and 2 are already available in all SH games.

however option 3: scope not stabilized, UZO stabilized is not historically correct.

[Magic1111]

I agree with these posts:

http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radio...40&postcount=6

3rd post from above:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...2/m/8311049103

and my sources in my historical books !

Best regards,
Magic

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Magic1111

I agree with these posts:

http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radio...40&postcount=6

I see that you choose to ignore my response to that very claim. "Most likely" means that he was guessing and hoping, not that he had a clue what he was talking about. And upon rereading my own response I have to repeat it: How exactly would this be made to work?

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...2/m/8311049103

Again he makes a claim with no verification at all. It's worthless.

and my sources in my historical books !

What books? If you're going to make a claim like this you need to quote the source exactly, and provide a link to where I can buy the same book and learn this. Anyone can claim anything and say they have a reference, but if you don't show it then it is meaningless.

[Trevally.]

I have been thinking about how this could work.

When you are standing on the deck of a boat travelling forward, there is a lot of motion up and down as the boat pushes through a wave. (more so than side sway)

Now if I am used to standing on this deck (sea legs) I can sway with the movement of the boat. So my head is always parallel to the sea. If I had a stick in front of me that was free moving forward and back and fixed to deck, I could hold this against myself and continue my sway. So I become the stabilizer. If this was binos and could also pivot at the head - perhaps a steady view could be achieved.

[Magic1111]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

"Most likely" means that he was guessing and hoping, not that he had a clue what he was talking about. And upon rereading my own response I have to repeat it: How exactly would this be made to work?

Okay, Point for you !

Again he makes a claim with no verification at all. It's worthless.

Okay, point for you !

What books? If you're going to make a claim like this you need to quote the source exactly, and provide a link to where I can buy the same book and learn this. Anyone can claim anything and say they have a reference, but if you don't show it then it is meaningless.

Sorry, but for me it´s not possible to write the exactly source, because I´ve bought me since the last 20 years over 60 books from german subs in WW2 (for example iron coffins from Herbert A. Werner and many others). So I remind that I read about the UZO in one of my books, but I think you understand, that I can´t say exactly in which book ( when you want I can post a picture from all of my books...).

So, I asked a former submarine driver of german Navy (Bundesmarine) in my german ubi-forum and he answerded me the following (I´ve translate his answer via google, because my english is not so good):

Please look first this picture: http://www.u-995.com/images/galerie/...kenwanne02.jpg

and then read his answer:

"In the pictures of the bridge when can we see the column of the torpedo target device or the UZO base very well. The upper range (ie where the UZO is placed), is from the surrounding ring with the degree numbers must be clearly separated. Somehow reminds me of the process with the support of a magnetic compass, which is indeed suspended freely to compensate for the ship's movements.
This makes sense since the UZO was indeed used in case of water attacks, so a submarine, even at low wave heights ever is rocked by something stronger. It would therefore only logical that a telescopic sight would be stabilized in accordance."

Best regards,
Magic

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Magic1111

Please let us not discuss about it´s real or not....! I think furthermore my description about the UZO here: http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radio...99&postcount=3 is historically correct and I want this in game too ! That´s all !

I never would have brought it up, but that was the very statement I was challenging, and I still say you're wrong, it was not automatically stabilized, and just like the deck gun there was no way it could be. I agree with the others, you're free to play any way you want, and if I knew a way to stabilize it in the game I would tell you. Just don't insist you're doing it because it's historically correct, because it's not.

[Magic1111]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

and if I knew a way to stabilize it in the game I would tell you. .

It´s okay, thanks mate !

[Bilge_Rat]

This question keeps coming up and from what I can see is based solely on the fact that this is the way it works in SH3! However, SH3 is a game, not a reference guide.

For more empirical evidence, I would rather rely on the inspection report of the U-570, a type VIIc which was captured in august 1941:

http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570ONIReport.htm

this is what it says about the UZO (p.59-60):

A binocular support is installed at about the center of the chariot bridge. This support is shown in Photograph No. 5 (binoculars were not mounted when the photograph was taken). Binoculars mounted on the stand may be rapidly trained by turning a finned driving ring which is near the top of, and concentric with, the mounting. An azimuth circle with vernier is fitted on the mounting. The binoculars secured to the movable head can be elevated or depressed and adjusted for distance between the eyes. The mounting permits a clear view around the horizon. The binoculars are of pressure proof construction. These arrangements provide a bridge torpedo director. A small lever on the starboard side of the pedestal of the mounting was stated by the ship's gunner to be a torpedo firing lever for firing bow tubes from the bridge.

as noted, they can be moved up and down, but no mention of a fancy gyrostabilizer mechanism, which I presume, would have been mentioned if it existed.