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10-30-05, 10:53 AM
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Frogman
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Big problem with SH3Cdr. help please
Hi ,
I have a problem : I choose a fatigue model in SH3cdr (Kaa's model) and launch the game. In the game I see that it's no the good effects : my crews has a progressive fatigue (it's right for this model) but they recover in bows quarters ( it's wrong for the kaa's model) After quit the game, I've seen the basic.cfg in SH3 was not modified. 1st try : then, I've tried to modify manually the basic.cfg in SH3 with the kaa's values, and I've ran again the game with SH3cdr. but my crews continue to recover. Effectively, when I return to windows, I see that the basic.cfg has his original values. It's not modified by SH3cdr. 2nd try : then I've modified the basic .cfg. in SH3 and I've ran the game without SH3cdr. This time all it was right. Strange, no ? Why SH3cdr don't modify the basic.cfg with the fatigue model chosen ? I don't understand (I've this problem since IUB1.01 and/or the last SH3cdr.) Thank for help |
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10-30-05, 01:09 PM
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I'm not sure what 'Kaa's model' is. SH3 Commander doesn't come with a "Kaa's fatigue model". If the fatigue model is configured and placed in the Crew fatigue models.cfg file properly it will work.
The rest of what you're describing (1st try and 2nd try) is normal for SH3 Commander: 1st try: If you choose a fatigue model in SH3 Commander, then try to modify the game's fatigue model by inputting the values directly into the game's Basic.cfg file, and then run the game using SH3 Commander, the fatigue values in the game will be overwritten by the model you chose in SH3 Commander. In order to change the fatigue model and run the game from SH3 Commander, you need to adjust the fatigue values in SH3 Commander\Cfg\Crew fatigue models.cfg. Changing the values in SilentHunterIII\data\Cfg\Basic.cfg will not work. 2nd try: modifying the Basic.cfg file will work as long as you either 1 - don't use SH3 Commander to start the game, or 2 - don't choose a fatigue model in SH3 Commander.
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10-30-05, 02:27 PM
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Frogman
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Yes I know.
But the problem when I run the game (by SH3cdr) with the Kaa's model (or another model, it's the same trouble )selected in the SH3cdr settings, there isn't the good effects in game (The effects of the Kaa's model in my case). I see after quit the game the basic.cfg doesn't changed. It's necessary for me to modify manually the file in the SH3 folder and run the game without SH3cdr interface. It 's not right I think  NB : The kaa's model is a model where the crew lose endurance very slowly during the mission (between 3 and 5 weeks depending to the model) but don't recover when They're in the bows quarters. This model simulate in fact the stress. |
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10-30-05, 03:30 PM
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What is "Kaa's model"? I have no idea what this fatigue model is supposed to do, but if it's copied to the Crew fatigue models.cfg file correctly it will certainly work. There's no way it couldn't work, since the fatigue model simply has to be in there in the right format and SH3 Commander will recognise it and plug it in. If it's not in the correct format it won't recognise it.
Can you copy the Kaa's fatigue model that you have in your version of the Crew fatigue models.cfg file, and post it here? If you do that I can tell you what you're doing wrong.
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10-30-05, 03:43 PM
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Frogman
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Thank again for your help
 It's the "Crew fatigue models.cfg" in my SH3 commander\cfg folder : ;To add your own fatigue model, copy one of the ;existing blocks of values and paste at the end ;of this file. Update the number of this new ;block (the value contained between []) to be the ;last number plus 1. Then change all the values ;accordingly. What you enter for "Desc" will be ;what is displayed as an option in SH3 Commander. [0] Desc=Default SH3 ;CREW_ block FatigueMax0=0.5 FatigueStep0=0.2 FatigueMax1=0.5 FatigueStep1=0.2 FatigueMax2=0.5 FatigueStep2=0.2 FatigueMax3=0.5 FatigueStep3=0.1 FatigueMax4=0.5 FatigueStep4=0.1 FatigueMax5=0.5 FatigueStep5=0.1 FatigueMax6=0.6 FatigueStep6=0.05 FatigueMax7=0.6 FatigueStep7=0.05 FatigueMax8=0.6 FatigueStep8=0.05 ;FATIGUE_COEF block RegularFactor00=0.01 SpecificFactor00=0.04 BadWeather0=0.02 RegularFactor10=0.01 RegularFactor11=0.01 SpecificFactor10=0.01 SpecificFactor11=0.02 BadWeather1=0.02 RegularFactor20=0.01 RegularFactor21=0.01 SpecificFactor20=0.01 SpecificFactor21=0.02 BadWeather2=0.02 RegularFactor30=0.01 RegularFactor31=0.01 SpecificFactor30=0.04 SpecificFactor31=0.01 BadWeather3=0.02 RegularFactor40=0.01 RegularFactor41=0.01 SpecificFactor40=0.01 SpecificFactor41=0.04 BadWeather4=0.02 RegularFactor50=0.01 RegularFactor51=0.01 SpecificFactor50=0.03 SpecificFactor51=0.04 BadWeather5=0.02 SpecificFactor60=-0.1 SpecificFactor61=-0.1 SpecificFactor70=-0.1 SpecificFactor71=-0.1 RegularFactor80=0.01 RegularFactor81=0.01 SpecificFactor80=0.03 SpecificFactor81=0.04 BadWeather8=0.02 RegularFactor90=0.01 SpecificFactor90=0.05 BadWeather9=0.02 RegularFactor100=0.01 SpecificFactor100=0.04 BadWeather10=0.02 RegularFactor110=0.01 RegularFactor111=0.01 SpecificFactor110=0.01 SpecificFactor111=0.01 BadWeather11=0.02 [1] Desc=No fatigue ;CREW_ block FatigueMax0=0.5 FatigueStep0=0.2 FatigueMax1=0.5 FatigueStep1=0.2 FatigueMax2=0.5 FatigueStep2=0.2 FatigueMax3=0.5 FatigueStep3=0.1 FatigueMax4=0.5 FatigueStep4=0.1 FatigueMax5=0.5 FatigueStep5=0.1 FatigueMax6=0.6 FatigueStep6=0.05 FatigueMax7=0.6 FatigueStep7=0.05 FatigueMax8=0.6 FatigueStep8=0.05 ;FATIGUE_COEF block RegularFactor00=0 SpecificFactor00=0 BadWeather0=0 RegularFactor10=0 RegularFactor11=0 SpecificFactor10=0.00005 SpecificFactor11=0.0006 BadWeather1=0 RegularFactor20=0 RegularFactor21=0 SpecificFactor20=0 SpecificFactor21=0 BadWeather2=0 RegularFactor30=0 RegularFactor31=0 SpecificFactor30=0 SpecificFactor31=0 BadWeather3=0 RegularFactor40=0 RegularFactor41=0 SpecificFactor40=0 SpecificFactor41=0 BadWeather4=0 RegularFactor50=0 RegularFactor51=0 SpecificFactor50=0 SpecificFactor51=0 BadWeather5=0 SpecificFactor60=-0.1 SpecificFactor61=-0.1 SpecificFactor70=-0.1 SpecificFactor71=-0.1 RegularFactor80=0 RegularFactor81=0 SpecificFactor80=0 SpecificFactor81=0 BadWeather8=0 RegularFactor90=0 SpecificFactor90=0 BadWeather9=0 RegularFactor100=0 SpecificFactor100=0 BadWeather10=0 RegularFactor110=0 RegularFactor111=0 SpecificFactor110=0 SpecificFactor111=0 BadWeather11=0 [2] Desc=RUb Mod ;CREW_ block FatigueMax0=0.80 FatigueStep0=0 FatigueMax1=0.75 FatigueStep1=0 FatigueMax2=0.70 FatigueStep2=0 FatigueMax3=0.70 FatigueStep3=0 FatigueMax4=0.65 FatigueStep4=0 FatigueMax5=0.60 FatigueStep5=0 FatigueMax6=0.75 FatigueStep6=0 FatigueMax7=0.7 FatigueStep7=0 FatigueMax8=0.65 FatigueStep8=0 ;FATIGUE_COEF block RegularFactor00=0.003 SpecificFactor00=0.012 BadWeather0=0.01 RegularFactor10=0 RegularFactor11=0 SpecificFactor10=-0.015 SpecificFactor11=0.017 BadWeather1=0 RegularFactor20=0.003 RegularFactor21=0.003 SpecificFactor20=0.003 SpecificFactor21=0.006 BadWeather2=0.006 RegularFactor30=0.003 RegularFactor31=0.003 SpecificFactor30=0.012 SpecificFactor31=0.003 BadWeather3=0.006 RegularFactor40=0.003 RegularFactor41=0.003 SpecificFactor40=0.003 SpecificFactor41=0.012 BadWeather4=0.006 RegularFactor50=0.01 RegularFactor51=0.01 SpecificFactor50=0.03 SpecificFactor51=0.04 BadWeather5=0.02 SpecificFactor60=-0.03 SpecificFactor61=-0.03 SpecificFactor70=-0.03 SpecificFactor71=-0.03 RegularFactor80=0.01 RegularFactor81=0.01 SpecificFactor80=0.03 SpecificFactor81=0.04 BadWeather8=0.02 RegularFactor90=0.003 SpecificFactor90=0.015 BadWeather9=0.02 RegularFactor100=0.003 SpecificFactor100=0.012 BadWeather10=0.02 RegularFactor110=0.01 RegularFactor111=0.01 SpecificFactor110=0.01 SpecificFactor111=0.01 BadWeather11=0.02 [3] Desc=RUb Mod 1x TC ;CREW_ block FatigueMax0=0.80 FatigueStep0=0 FatigueMax1=0.75 FatigueStep1=0 FatigueMax2=0.70 FatigueStep2=0 FatigueMax3=0.70 FatigueStep3=0 FatigueMax4=0.65 FatigueStep4=0 FatigueMax5=0.60 FatigueStep5=0 FatigueMax6=0.75 FatigueStep6=0 FatigueMax7=0.7 FatigueStep7=0 FatigueMax8=0.65 FatigueStep8=0 ;FATIGUE_COEF block RegularFactor00=0.0001 SpecificFactor00=0.0004 BadWeather0=0.0003 RegularFactor10=0 RegularFactor11=0 SpecificFactor10=0.00005 SpecificFactor11=0.0006 BadWeather1=0 RegularFactor20=0.0001 RegularFactor21=0.0001 SpecificFactor20=0.0001 SpecificFactor21=0.0002 BadWeather2=0.0002 RegularFactor30=0.0001 RegularFactor31=0.0001 SpecificFactor30=0.0004 SpecificFactor31=0.0001 BadWeather3=0.0002 RegularFactor40=0.0001 RegularFactor41=0.0001 SpecificFactor40=0.0001 SpecificFactor41=0.0004 BadWeather4=0.0002 RegularFactor50=0.0003 RegularFactor51=0.0003 SpecificFactor50=0.001 SpecificFactor51=0.0013 BadWeather5=0.0006 SpecificFactor60=-0.001 SpecificFactor61=-0.001 SpecificFactor70=-0.001 SpecificFactor71=-0.001 RegularFactor80=0.0003 RegularFactor81=0.0003 SpecificFactor80=0.001 SpecificFactor81=0.0013 BadWeather8=0.0006 RegularFactor90=0.0001 SpecificFactor90=0.0005 BadWeather9=0.0006 RegularFactor100=0.0001 SpecificFactor100=0.0004 BadWeather10=0.0006 RegularFactor110=0.0003 RegularFactor111=0.0003 SpecificFactor110=0.0003 SpecificFactor111=0.0003 BadWeather11=0.0006 [4] Desc=kaa II ;CREW_ block FatigueMax0=0.80 FatigueStep0=-0.0002 FatigueMax1=0.70 FatigueStep1=-0.0002 FatigueMax2=0.60 FatigueStep2=-0.0002 FatigueMax3=0.80 FatigueStep3=-0.0002 FatigueMax4=0.70 FatigueStep4=-0.0002 FatigueMax5=0.60 FatigueStep5=-0.0002 FatigueMax6=0.80 FatigueStep6=-0.0002 FatigueMax7=0.70 FatigueStep7=-0.0002 FatigueMax8=0.60 FatigueStep8=-0.0002 ;FATIGUE_COEF block RegularFactor00=0.01 SpecificFactor00=0.0002 BadWeather0=0.0002 RegularFactor10=0.01 RegularFactor11=0.01 SpecificFactor10=0.0002 SpecificFactor11=0.0002 BadWeather1=0.0002 RegularFactor20=0.01 RegularFactor21=0.01 SpecificFactor20=0.0002 SpecificFactor21=0.0002 BadWeather2=0.0002 RegularFactor30=0.01 RegularFactor31=0.01 SpecificFactor30=0.0002 SpecificFactor31=0.0002 BadWeather3=0.0002 RegularFactor40=0.01 RegularFactor41=0.01 SpecificFactor40=0.0002 SpecificFactor41=0.0002 BadWeather4=0.0002 RegularFactor50=0.01 RegularFactor51=0.01 SpecificFactor50=0.001 SpecificFactor51=0.001 BadWeather5=0.001 SpecificFactor60=0.0 SpecificFactor61=0.0 SpecificFactor70=0.0 SpecificFactor71=0.0 RegularFactor80=0.01 RegularFactor81=0.01 SpecificFactor80=0.001 SpecificFactor81=0.001 BadWeather8=0.001 RegularFactor90=0.01 SpecificFactor90=0.001 BadWeather9=0.001 RegularFactor100=0.01 SpecificFactor100=0.001 BadWeather10=0.001 RegularFactor110=0.01 RegularFactor111=0.01 SpecificFactor110=0.0002 SpecificFactor111=0.0002 BadWeather11=0.0002 [5] Desc=kaa VII ;CREW_ block FatigueMax0=0.80 FatigueStep0=-0.0001 FatigueMax1=0.70 FatigueStep1=-0.0001 FatigueMax2=0.60 FatigueStep2=-0.0001 FatigueMax3=0.80 FatigueStep3=-0.0001 FatigueMax4=0.70 FatigueStep4=-0.0001 FatigueMax5=0.60 FatigueStep5=-0.0001 FatigueMax6=0.80 FatigueStep6=-0.0001 FatigueMax7=0.70 FatigueStep7=-0.0001 FatigueMax8=0.60 FatigueStep8=-0.0001 ;FATIGUE_COEF block RegularFactor00=0.01 SpecificFactor00=0.0001 BadWeather0=0.0001 RegularFactor10=0.01 RegularFactor11=0.01 SpecificFactor10=0.0001 SpecificFactor11=0.0001 BadWeather1=0.0001 RegularFactor20=0.01 RegularFactor21=0.01 SpecificFactor20=0.0001 SpecificFactor21=0.0001 BadWeather2=0.0001 RegularFactor30=0.01 RegularFactor31=0.01 SpecificFactor30=0.0001 SpecificFactor31=0.0001 BadWeather3=0.0001 RegularFactor40=0.01 RegularFactor41=0.01 SpecificFactor40=0.0001 SpecificFactor41=0.0001 BadWeather4=0.0001 RegularFactor50=0.01 RegularFactor51=0.01 SpecificFactor50=0.001 SpecificFactor51=0.001 BadWeather5=0.001 SpecificFactor60=0.0 SpecificFactor61=0.0 SpecificFactor70=0.0 SpecificFactor71=0.0 RegularFactor80=0.01 RegularFactor81=0.01 SpecificFactor80=0.001 SpecificFactor81=0.001 BadWeather8=0.001 RegularFactor90=0.01 SpecificFactor90=0.001 BadWeather9=0.001 RegularFactor100=0.01 SpecificFactor100=0.001 BadWeather10=0.001 RegularFactor110=0.01 RegularFactor111=0.01 SpecificFactor110=0.0001 SpecificFactor111=0.0001 BadWeather11=0.0001 [6] Desc=kaa IX ;CREW_ block FatigueMax0=0.80 FatigueStep0=-0.00005 FatigueMax1=0.70 FatigueStep1=-0.00005 FatigueMax2=0.60 FatigueStep2=-0.00005 FatigueMax3=0.80 FatigueStep3=-0.00005 FatigueMax4=0.70 FatigueStep4=-0.00005 FatigueMax5=0.60 FatigueStep5=-0.00005 FatigueMax6=0.80 FatigueStep6=-0.00005 FatigueMax7=0.70 FatigueStep7=-0.00005 FatigueMax8=0.60 FatigueStep8=-0.00005 ;FATIGUE_COEF block RegularFactor00=0.01 SpecificFactor00=0.00005 BadWeather0=0.00005 RegularFactor10=0.01 RegularFactor11=0.01 SpecificFactor10=0.00005 SpecificFactor11=0.00005 BadWeather1=0.00005 RegularFactor20=0.01 RegularFactor21=0.01 SpecificFactor20=0.00005 SpecificFactor21=0.00005 BadWeather2=0.00005 RegularFactor30=0.01 RegularFactor31=0.01 SpecificFactor30=0.00005 SpecificFactor31=0.00005 BadWeather3=0.00005 RegularFactor40=0.01 RegularFactor41=0.01 SpecificFactor40=0.00005 SpecificFactor41=0.00005 BadWeather4=0.00005 RegularFactor50=0.01 RegularFactor51=0.01 SpecificFactor50=0.001 SpecificFactor51=0.001 BadWeather5=0.001 SpecificFactor60=0.0 SpecificFactor61=0.0 SpecificFactor70=0.0 SpecificFactor71=0.0 RegularFactor80=0.01 RegularFactor81=0.01 SpecificFactor80=0.001 SpecificFactor81=0.001 BadWeather8=0.001 RegularFactor90=0.01 SpecificFactor90=0.001 BadWeather9=0.001 RegularFactor100=0.01 SpecificFactor100=0.001 BadWeather10=0.001 RegularFactor110=0.01 RegularFactor111=0.01 SpecificFactor110=0.00005 SpecificFactor111=0.00005 BadWeather11=0.00005 And the kaa's model is explained here http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...hlight=fatigue In my previous SH3 install, before I réinstall it with the last version of SH3 Commander/IUB, all was ok. 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10-30-05, 04:02 PM
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Admiral
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First thing I notice is that, unlike the standard fatigue models listed in the file, the newly-added Kaa's models all have gaps between the values. I'm not sure if SH3 Commander has the ability to deal with those. The first thing I'd try would be to remove the gaps.
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10-30-05, 04:27 PM
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Frogman
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Ok I'll try it now
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10-30-05, 04:47 PM
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Frogman
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I've tried to remove gaps
The I've ran the game by SH3cdr. Result : 1- The crews lost resistance very slowly; it's right for this model. 1- The crews recover, it's not right for this model. 2- The basic.cfg in SH3 has returned to original values for the paragraph [CREW-X], but the paragraph [FATIGUE_COEF] has changed with Kaa's values. When I run the game with SH3cdr, the CREW_X values don't changed by the fatigue model selected in SH3cdr settings. Only the FATIGUE_COEF values are changed  Strange, no ?I've desinstall/reinstall the game and it's always the same problem My install 1- SH3 2- Patch 1.4b 3- SH3 commander + new crew fatigue models.cfg 4- JSGME 5- IUB1.01 6- optional mods heavy harbor |
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10-30-05, 06:08 PM
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Frogman
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Well, I've rewrote the file manually and now it does work correctly.
I don't understand. But all is ok  Thank you very much for your help (again )
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10-31-05, 01:05 AM
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The gaps shouldn't make any difference: if SH3Cmdr recognises the model, it will copy it into the game...provided it is entered into the file correctly...
Just an observation, it appears that you are still using SH3Cmdr Release 2.1. It would be worth updating to Release 2.2, or wait a few days and get Release 2.3. If, however, you are using Release 2.2 then if you are using the above/below models, that is your problem. Release 2.2 uses an improved copying model (it means that if, say, Kaa wants to add a FatigueMin value to his model, he can do so and SH3Cmdr will recognise it). As part of this improvement, the CREW_* values were renamed from "FatigueMax0=" to "0_FatigueMax=" and so on. Running Release 2.1 formatted models with Release 2.2 will mean that these crew values will not be copied into the game, only the FATIGUE_COEF values will. This effect seems very similar to what you are experiencing. |
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10-31-05, 01:15 AM
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Frogman
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All is ok now after I rewrote kaa's models manually in crews fatigue models.cfg
But I use SH3commander V2.2. I think there is a mistake in my old crews fatigue models.cfg but I don't know what. Thanks for your advise 
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10-31-05, 01:27 AM
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As I said...Release 2.1 structure was:
;CREW_ block FatigueMax0= FatigueStep0= FatigueMax1= FatigueStep1= FatigueMax2= FatigueStep2= FatigueMax3= FatigueStep3= FatigueMax4= FatigueStep4= FatigueMax5= FatigueStep5= FatigueMax6= FatigueStep6= FatigueMax7= FatigueStep7= FatigueMax8= FatigueStep8= ;FATIGUE_COEF block ... Release 2.2 structure is: ;CREW_ block 0_FatigueMax= 0_FatigueStep= 1_FatigueMax= 1_FatigueStep= 2_FatigueMax= 2_FatigueStep= 3_FatigueMax= 3_FatigueStep= 4_FatigueMax= 4_FatigueStep= 5_FatigueMax= 5_FatigueStep= 6_FatigueMax= 6_FatigueStep= 7_FatigueMax= 7_FatigueStep= 8_FatigueMax= 8_FatigueStep= ;FATIGUE_COEF block ... For your models to work in Release 2.2, they must follow the second structure. If Kaa is reading this, he will need to update his model template, if not already done so. |
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10-31-05, 06:42 AM
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Frogman
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Ok, i don't seen it. I understand now why I'had the problem.
When I'd rewrote the file manually I've made copy/paste from the first paragraph and I've changed only the values, paragraph number and title. I've don't seen the modification of the file structure. Okaaayyy Thank Jscones for your information
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