Arab unrest: Winners and losers

Skybird · 03-01-11, 07:56 AM

Erdoghan is a master of split tongue, and he absues the terms of integration versus assimilation. He left no doubt that Turks should put their "being-Turkish" before Germany, and when he criticises assimilation, he nevertheless means integration indeed. I stick to my statement that he is fully against integration of Turks in Germany. And I also know from own expwerience that many Turks in Germany take the status of not needing to integrate as their natural right, and a normal state of things.

Third generation Turks are mor orthodfox and conservative, then first generation Turks have been. Significant ammounts of the younger ones, different data from past 5 years showed numbers between one third and one half, are against becomign German, are more or less influenced my extreme Turkish nationalism of even violent kind (I just mention the Grey Wolves and the Mili Görrus), and the belief that Germany needs to be turned into a Sharia state or/and a Turkish junior partner obeying Ankara, is anything but rare.

I sum up what Erdoghan means correctly. In past threads over the past 5 years I have given word-by-word quotes by him, both regarding the takeover of Europe by Islam as well as the future of Germany as he envisions it. On basis of these, his speech he now gave again is just showing how consistent and nevertheless double-tongued he is.

If somebody says "assimilation" and describes it by the termsa that means integration, then he may say "assimilation", but still means "integration". And if somebody says a foreigner ion a foreign country should integrate, but should not allow to have his national origin being seconded in that country to that country's own identity, then he may say he welcomes integration, but indeed he just said what he realy means: to resist integration.

Last but not least, Germany is Turkey's entrance gate into the EU, he thinks.

Erdoghan is a master of split-tongues speech. You need to listen very, very carefully. That he forms alliances with Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah, should tell you something about whose spirit's child he is.

P.S. Even speakers of Turkish organisations in Germany distance themselves from him, and criticise him. And that the conservatives and liberals and political centrists attack him anyway, must not be mentioned.

The left and the socialists, and former chancellor Schroeder however defend Turkey and demand it's quick entrance into the EU. What a braindead breed.

Gerald · 03-01-11, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Erdoghan is a master of split tongue, and he absues the terms of integration versus assimilation. He left no doubt that Turks should put their "being-Turkish" before Germany, and when he criticises assimilation, he nevertheless means integration indeed. I stick to my statement that he is fully against integration of Turks in Germany. And I also know from own expwerience that many Turks in Germany take the status of not needing to integrate as their natural right, and a normal state of things.

Third generation Turks are mor orthodfox and conservative, then first generation Turks have been. Significant ammounts of the younger ones, different data from past 5 years showed numbers between one third and one half, are against becomign German, are more or less influenced my extreme Turkish nationalism of even violent kind (I just mention the Grey Wolves and the Mili Görrus), and the belief that Germany needs to be turned into a Sharia state or/and a Turkish junior partner obeying Ankara, is anything but rare.

I sum up what Erdoghan means correctly. In past threads over the past 5 years I have given word-by-word quotes by him, both regarding the takeover of Europe by Islam as well as the future of Germany as he envisions it. On basis of these, his speech he now gave again is just showing how consistent and nevertheless double-tongued he is.

If somebody says "assimilation" and describes it by the termsa that means integration, then he may say "assimilation", but still means "integration". And if somebody says a foreigner ion a foreign country should integrate, but should not allow to have his national origin being seconded in that country to that country's own identity, then he may say he welcomes integration, but indeed he just said what he realy means: to resist integration.

Last but not least, Germany is Turkey's entrance gate into the EU, he thinks.

Erdoghan is a master of split-tongues speech. You need to listen very, very carefully. That he forms alliances with Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah, should tell you something about whose spirit's child he is.

P.S. Even speakers of Turkish organisations in Germany distance themselves from him, and criticise him.

"Germany is Turkey's entrance gate into the EU, he thinks." But there, he has been so wrong

03-01-11, 08:07 AM

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Erdoghan is a master of split tongue, and he absues the terms of integration versus assimilation.

Says he of the very split tongue who not only changed words entirely he actually reversed what was said

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I stick to my statement

Yeah, like sticking to your statement about Shia Saudi arabia taking oveer the world

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no sane person ever spoke about assimilation or giving up one's language/culture

Well skybird said........

03-01-11, 07:56 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,634 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Erdoghan is a master of split tongue, and he absues the terms of integration versus assimilation. He left no doubt that Turks should put their "being-Turkish" before Germany, and when he criticises assimilation, he nevertheless means integration indeed. I stick to my statement that he is fully against integration of Turks in Germany. And I also know from own expwerience that many Turks in Germany take the status of not needing to integrate as their natural right, and a normal state of things. Third generation Turks are mor orthodfox and conservative, then first generation Turks have been. Significant ammounts of the younger ones, different data from past 5 years showed numbers between one third and one half, are against becomign German, are more or less influenced my extreme Turkish nationalism of even violent kind (I just mention the Grey Wolves and the Mili Görrus), and the belief that Germany needs to be turned into a Sharia state or/and a Turkish junior partner obeying Ankara, is anything but rare. I sum up what Erdoghan means correctly. In past threads over the past 5 years I have given word-by-word quotes by him, both regarding the takeover of Europe by Islam as well as the future of Germany as he envisions it. On basis of these, his speech he now gave again is just showing how consistent and nevertheless double-tongued he is. If somebody says "assimilation" and describes it by the termsa that means integration, then he may say "assimilation", but still means "integration". And if somebody says a foreigner ion a foreign country should integrate, but should not allow to have his national origin being seconded in that country to that country's own identity, then he may say he welcomes integration, but indeed he just said what he realy means: to resist integration. Last but not least, Germany is Turkey's entrance gate into the EU, he thinks. Erdoghan is a master of split-tongues speech. You need to listen very, very carefully. That he forms alliances with Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah, should tell you something about whose spirit's child he is. P.S. Even speakers of Turkish organisations in Germany distance themselves from him, and criticise him. And that the conservatives and liberals and political centrists attack him anyway, must not be mentioned. The left and the socialists, and former chancellor Schroeder however defend Turkey and demand it's quick entrance into the EU. What a braindead breed. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.