Arab unrest: Winners and losers

[NeonSamurai]

Frankly my concern is that these countries will go the way that Iran did, and become more Muslim fundamentalist, which could potentially have some very dire consequences. Revolts and revolutions rarely seem to result in more liberal and secular societies, rather they tend to go extreme.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Revolts and revolutions rarely seem to result in more liberal and secular societies, rather they tend to go extreme.

A secular society can't be extremist?

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

A secular society can't be extremist?

I did put 'and' between 'liberal' and 'secular', but anything can be taken to extremes

[em2nought]

Israel better sharpen up, they seemed a bit sloppy last go round. Someone should be ready to drop the hammer(fat man/little boy style) on a misbehaving arab child state(s). Won't be da big "O", just like it wasn't duh "W".

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Israel better sharpen up, they seemed a bit sloppy last go round. Someone should be ready to drop the hammer(fat man/little boy style) on a misbehaving arab child state(s). Won't be da big "O", just like it wasn't duh "W".

Not so sure, if these states all go Islamist and team up maybe they will try and challenge the west... and by the west I mean the USA so we can give them a nice stand up fight and roll over them 1991 style...

[Skybird]

Israel should learn a very uncomfortable lesson from what it sees in Egypt, Tunisia, Lybia. How many Palestinians and Arabs live right in the middle of their society - 20% or so, climbing? These peoples' birth rate is how many times higher than the Israelis'? And their Jewish army and police is how big in numbers, to keep any possible revolts in the middle of their dual society in check?

See how easy military control of demographic situations can fail.

Yes, dear EU, pressing Israel for accepting the "return" of even more Palestinians into Israel - that surely is the way for stability there.

We have had Turkish emperor Erdoghan in germany this weekend. I wish there would not only be Arab unrest, but a German revolt, too. Once again he called for Turks in Germany to put their Turkish identity over Germany, and not to integrate into German society, whilealso calling for Germany stopping to make inner political decisioons without asking for Ankara's acceptance first.

I think instead of demanding Turks to speak German in Germany, Germans in Germany better should learn to speak Turkish. That would be true integration. Of the Germans.

[CCIP]

I for one am curious what that will do in terms of possibly resurrecting pan-arabism as a viable idea. Which may be a somewhat scary thought for the West. However this is too early to be having this discussion.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Skybird

We have had Turkish emperor Erdoghan in germany this weekend. I wish there would not only be Arab unrest, but a German revolt, too. Once again he called for Turks in Germany to put their Turkish identity over Germany, and not to integrate into German society, whilealso calling for Germany stopping to make inner political decisioons without asking for Ankara's acceptance first.

Thats an a-hole move
reminds me of how Charles de Gaulle came to Canada and supported the independence of Quebec

[Castout]

Those Arabs are turning from these




into these





Salute!

I wouldn't be worry about the consequences of these evolutions to Israel or the West.
What I'm worried about are US and Europe intervention in sabotaging these movement to erect another dictatorship. Like it or not the West only care about their own freedom and their own rights first and foremost.

In the end the rising of democratic and free Arab states would strengthen the numbers of the free nations! That's sooo cool!

Now if only my fellow South East Asians had half the guts and aspirations as high as these noble people. Just yesterday I saw either a Malaysian or Singaporean human rights lawyer interviewed on Al Jazeera about the Arab uprisings. I wasn't sure whether I wanted to laugh or cry, probably both at the same time. A human rights lawyer in authoritarian regime? What a bad joke. A clown. Damn chicken. Damn hypocrite. If the person was genuine he would have already suffered and wouldn't be on television being interviewed.

One more nation should follow Tunisia, Egypt and Libya to evolve. Libyans haven't gotten theirs yet. They would need international support especially food if not food and arms. It's revolting and shameful to see the international community to wait to see which side was winning before making strong statement and taking strong action to stand on that side.

And the one which comes after Libya would probably be the last of these strings of nation whose people chose to rise against dictatorship and succeed. Libya is most probably the most bloodied of them all.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Once again he called for Turks in Germany to put their Turkish identity over Germany, and not to integrate into German society, whilealso calling for Germany stopping to make inner political decisioons without asking for Ankara's acceptance first.

What are his motives for these stupid calls?
I don't know much about him but what levels of infuence, if you will, does he have on German Turks?
Whichever way you look at it, he is wrong.

I think instead of demanding Turks to speak German in Germany, Germans in Germany better should learn to speak Turkish. That would be true integration. Of the Germans.

Is that what he said? Or is that what you think?

What are his motives for these stupid calls?

Its Sky off on one again.
Erdogan might be a crazy loon but that isn't what he said.
He said they must integrate, that is a bit different from skybirds world where that translates as "not integrate".
He did however say they shouldn't assimilate which isn't the same as integrate.

But anyway time for a Godwin.....

See how easy military control of demographic situations can fail.

There was this austrian bloke who failed in his military control of a demographic situation, apparently he had this thing about people of a certain religion taking over Europe and the world.