A new urban flight causing problems in Detroit.

Its unbelivable the contradictory positions people are having to take to support their views.
As Angus said, you don't live in reality.

In one breath its, hey have family and friends in the locale so you can dump your kids while you go walkabout, the next its don't put down roots and connections in an area so you can just up and leave with no worries.

Taters "nest" idea is actually ludicrous in todays situation as people had their nests and thought they had their security and now they find that their nest is burnt, their tree condemned future propects of getting new twigs is non existantt as they have a burnt nest record and some bloody cuckoo is making a racket about these "silly" people not having a proper nest.
Now OK people might have their parents to fall back on, but in this rust belt situation you a looking at parents left in empty towns with their property asset now worthless and their pension provisions thrown away by some coked up banker, and you people want folk to leave kids with their grandparents who now live in a ghetto while they themselves live out the back of a car or in some doss house working illegaly in the black economy just to fix the damn motor car

[AVGWarhawk]

In one breath its, hey have family and friends in the locale so you can dump your kids while you go walkabout, the next its don't put down roots and connections in an area so you can just up and leave with no worries.

I'm not sure what kind of family you have but having to 'dump my kids' for a day or so with a family member is never a problem. Specifically if I'm going for a job interview. The pastor of my church and his wife would look after my kids in heartbeat. I can name 5 other family members that would watch my children. WTH...is every jobless person with a kid an introvert with no friends or family? This guy was going for a job interview...not a walkabout to whore and drink. Why not a family member? As far as roots, sometimes you have to cut and run...roots or not. My family moved 8 times since I was born. What seems to be the problem with up and leaving...roots or not? Everyone should attempt to make roots but also accept that the old root ball might have to up and leave.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Taters "nest" idea is actually ludicrous in todays situation as people had their nests and thought they had their security and now they find that their nest is burnt, their tree condemned future propects of getting new twigs is non existantt as they have a burnt nest record and some bloody cuckoo is making a racket about these "silly" people not having a proper nest.
Now OK people might have their parents to fall back on, but in this rust belt situation you a looking at parents left in empty towns with their property asset now worthless and their pension provisions thrown away by some coked up banker, and you people want folk to leave kids with their grandparents who now live in a ghetto while they themselves live out the back of a car or in some doss house working illegaly in the black economy just to fix the damn motor car

Are you aware of what % of inner city children in the US are born out of wedlock? This is not a "Swedish" out of wedlock where they cohabitate, and don't marry to score better benis. This is the mom not necessarily even knowing who the dad is, or a dad that is entirely uninvolved in the childrens' (plural, all too often) lives past knocking mom up.

It's ~80%.

80%.

That's what I mean by "not making a nest."

The people who have lost their jobs are NOISE compared to that statistic. This is 100% preventable. Getting pregnant is a CHOICE, period. Having, you know, 2 involved parents is a necessary condition for a nest. Heck, it's a sufficient condition, IMO. I have friends who are unambiguously rich with kids fall into the "nest" category, and some that barely get by—but there are still 2 parents making a home. Unmarried, teenage girls with babies... not "nested." So I'm not talking about people who have their situation change, these are people who choose to have kids in an entirely untenable position.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by tater

Are you aware of what % of inner city children in the US are born out of wedlock? This is not a "Swedish" out of wedlock where they cohabitate, and don't marry to score better benis. This is the mom not necessarily even knowing who the dad is, or a dad that is entirely uninvolved in the childrens' (plural, all too often) lives past knocking mom up.

It's ~80%.

80%.

That's what I mean by "not making a nest."

The people who have lost their jobs are NOISE compared to that statistic. This is 100% preventable. Getting pregnant is a CHOICE, period. Having, you know, 2 involved parents is a necessary condition for a nest. Heck, it's a sufficient condition, IMO. I have friends who are unambiguously rich with kids fall into the "nest" category, and some that barely get by—but there are still 2 parents making a home. Unmarried, teenage girls with babies... not "nested." So I'm not talking about people who have their situation change, these are people who choose to have kids in an entirely untenable position.

Sounds like an episode of Maury Povich