A new urban flight causing problems in Detroit.

[Bubblehead1980]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41810267/ns/us_news-life/

Interesting story, feel bad for the homeowners, prob feel under siege in their own neighborhoods.My grandfather went through this in my hometown.What was once a nice neighborhood when he purchased the home after WW II(his first) is now the ghetto basically, we drive to check on it once in a while when I am home visting, he looks incredibly sad as we see the various trash that infests the neighborhood now.

PS...for the PC crowd, this is not about race.

Detroit has been a hole for many years. When the mayor (D) is placed in jail for crimes it says something............ That he isn't as smooth a talker as Bill Clinton/Barack Hussein Obama.....lolz

[Armistead]

I agree, not a race thing as much a cultural issue. Hard to bring the inner city attitude into a quiet neighborbood in the burbs.

Years ago Cone Mills was huge in this area, many milltowns, small wood houses, but decent middle class neighborhoods. When the mills left for overseas, slowly the people left looking for jobs, except many older retired stayed. I use to drive, play and date girls from these areas. I wouldn't dare drive through today, like a inner city ghetto, many illegal mexican gangs fighting black gangs. It really got bad 2 years ago. Most these houses can now be bought for 10K. The last time I went through I stopped at an intersection and a group of blacks on the corner cussed me out, walked over kicked my truck..."white MF'er what you doing here. I actually got pulled by a cop two blocks away wanting to know what I was doing here. He kindly told me to get out and stay out unless I want to get killed.

The sad thing is the retired elderly that got trapped there. They lost all their equity, but most just wanted to die there. They're constantly robbed, killed, etc.. Several churches worked to relocate many.

[Growler]

It is rather bitter, I imagine, to find that the "American Dream" of home ownership might also extend to, and mean sharing your neighborhood with "ghetto folk."

Juror #10: I don't understand you people! I mean all these picky little points you keep bringing up. They don't mean nothing. You saw this kid just like I did. You're not gonna tell me you believe that phony story about losing the knife, and that business about being at the movies. Look, you know how these people lie! It's born in them! I mean what the heck? I don't have to tell you. They don't know what the truth is! And lemme tell you, they don't need any real big reason to kill someone, either! No sir!
[Five gets up from his seat]
Juror #10: They get drunk... oh, they're real big drinkers, all of 'em - you know that - and bang: someone's lyin' in the gutter. Oh, nobody's blaming them for it. That's the way they are! By nature! You know what I mean? VIOLENT!
Juror #10: [Nine rises and crosses to the window] Where're you going?
Juror #10: Human life don't mean as much to them as it does to us!
[Eleven gets up and walks to the other window]
Juror #10: Look, they're lushing it up and fighting all the time and if somebody gets killed, so somebody gets killed! They don't care! Oh, sure, there are some good things about 'em, too. Look, I'm the first one to say that.
[Eight gets up and walks to the nearest wall]
Juror #10: I've known a couple who were OK, but that's the exception, y'know what I mean?
[Two and Six get up from the table. Everyone's back is to Ten]
Juror #10: Most of 'em, it's like they have no feelings! They can do anything! What's goin' on here? I'm trying to tell you... you're makin' a big mistake, you people! This kid is a liar! I know it. I know all about them! Listen to me! They're no good! There's not a one of 'em who is any good! I mean, what's happening in here? I'm speaking my piece, and you...
[The Foreman gets up and walks away. So does Twelve]
Juror #10: Listen to me. We're... This kid on trial here... his type, well, don't you know about them? There's a, there's a danger here. These people are dangerous. They're wild. Listen to me. Listen.

Well played Growler

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Growler

It is rather bitter, I imagine, to find that the "American Dream" of home ownership might also extend to, and mean sharing your neighborhood with "ghetto folk."

Won't happen.


you see the problem is "ghetto folk" as you call them spend thousands of dollars... sometimes tens of thousands of dollars on these



...so they can continue to pay a couple hundred a month on these...

[Growler]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Won't happen.


you see the problem is "ghetto folk" as you call them spend thousands of dollars... sometimes tens of thousands of dollars on these


...so they can continue to pay a couple hundred a month on these...

Aw, c'mon, GR - you're above such generalizations. I mean, dude, I've lived and worked in Baltimore, I get what you're saying, but it's a generalization, and an inaccurate one at that. For every young "ghetto kid/chav" who's doing what you allege, there's five or ten who are working their posteriors off to try and get a little ahead.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Growler

For every young "ghetto kid/chav" who's doing what you allege, there's five or ten who are working their posteriors off to try and get a little ahead.

yes...

they live next door to me.

(And no, i dont have a problem with it)

EDIT: are we talking about "ghetto folk" or some other kind of folk?

EDIT#2: what I meant by my first post is that ghetto folk are so busy being ghetto folk and doing ghetto golk things that it is very unlikely that they would find their way into my neighborhood.

[Growler]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

yes...

they live next door to me.

(And no, i dont have a problem with it)

EDIT: are we talking about "ghetto folk" or some other kind of folk?

Good point.

[gimpy117]

Personally, I blame the collapse of the middle class. Detroit and flint had its bad parts like any city in the 80's..but when did it get really bad? When the manufacturing jobs pulled out. Theres no more jobs for those people in those towns and they can't get out. Poverty breeds poverty, strife breeds strife, violence breeds more violence. I think people in the ghetto have lost hope, and this behavior is a result.

[GoldenRivet]

Gimpy, to some extent thats true.

but

in 1920 when you lost your job in Brooklyn you packed your family up and were on your way to Memphis after 2 or 3 days of not finding work in Brooklyn.

Memphis no good? head to Little Rock... Dallas... Ft. Worth... El Paso... Las Cruces... Albequerque... Denver

thing is... no matter how bad the economy gets, no matter how many manufacturing jobs are outsourced - Someone, Somewhere is doing Something to earn money.

today, when a person loses their job in Detroit, they foolishly just sit and wait for things to change.

a man has to be master of his own destiny... i think that no man - even if he only has $100 to his name - is not totally immobilized and worthless.

nomadic people thousands of years ago WALKED from Europe to North America - why couldn't someone in Anycity, USA get in their car and drive to Anytown, USA and spend a day or two job searching?

Cant afford the car? sell it and get a motorcycle.

Cant afford the motorcycle? get a moped

Cant afford the moped? get a bicycle with a basket on the front of it.

Can't afford the bicycle? get a decent backpack and walk.

When a person finally reaches anytown USA they might not find that manufacturing job, they might have to flip burgers but it puts beans on the MFing table... right?

They might reach Anytown USA and find out that the situation is equally as grim... but the neat thing about that main street that runs through anytown USA is that you can get anywhere in the world by starting out on that road.

whats with people?

I love the town i live in, but im not so attached to it that i wouldnt leave at the first sign of trouble.

my advice to anyone who doesnt have 100% air tight job security - dont plant your roots so damned deep.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

a man has to be master of his own destiny... i think that no man - even if he only has $100 to his name - is not totally immobilized and worthless.

nomadic people thousands of years ago WALKED from Europe to North America - why couldn't someone in Anycity, USA get in their car and drive to Anytown, USA and spend a day or two job searching?

Gas, rent deposits, hotel/motel costs? It's not cheap to just up and move. It's a simplistic answer to a difficult problem.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Gimpy, to some extent thats true.

but

in 1920 when you lost your job in Brooklyn you packed your family up and were on your way to Memphis after 2 or 3 days of not finding work in Brooklyn.

Memphis no good? head to Little Rock... Dallas... Ft. Worth... El Paso... Las Cruces... Albequerque... Denver

thing is... no matter how bad the economy gets, no matter how many manufacturing jobs are outsourced - Someone, Somewhere is doing Something to earn money.

today, when a person loses their job in Detroit, they foolishly just sit and wait for things to change.

a man has to be master of his own destiny... i think that no man - even if he only has $100 to his name - is not totally immobilized and worthless.

nomadic people thousands of years ago WALKED from Europe to North America - why couldn't someone in Anycity, USA get in their car and drive to Anytown, USA and spend a day or two job searching?

Cant afford the car? sell it and get a motorcycle.

Cant afford the motorcycle? get a moped

Cant afford the moped? get a bicycle with a basket on the front of it.

Can't afford the bicycle? get a decent backpack and walk.

When a person finally reaches anytown USA they might not find that manufacturing job, they might have to flip burgers but it puts beans on the MFing table... right?

They might reach Anytown USA and find out that the situation is equally as grim... but the neat thing about that main street that runs through anytown USA is that you can get anywhere in the world by starting out on that road.

whats with people?

I love the town i live in, but im not so attached to it that i wouldnt leave at the first sign of trouble.

my advice to anyone who doesnt have 100% air tight job security - dont plant your roots so damned deep.

Ha, that was the advantage I had when I lost my job a few years ago. There are some many people that refused to leave the area (Eugene, or-gone), that they couldn't find work there. The #1 employer in that county is......wait for it..... gubmint! So when the largest private employer left town, there were a lot on long faces, wailing;" who will pay our taxes?" (as the largest tax payer was now leaving)
But don't worry, they are waiting for "green jobs" to move in to fill the void.

I digress, anywhoo, I have no emotional etachment to that area, so when I got job offers, I had no problem saying, "yes, I will relocate."

Plus I did not get caught up in the un-employment trap, and I found a new job within 1 month. Others, just partied with their severence package and un-employment and are..... still unemployed.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Gas, rent deposits, hotel/motel costs? It's not cheap to just up and move. It's a simplistic answer to a difficult problem.

That is a great point Mookie, escpecially if you have no emergency credit and/or are living beyond your means.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Gas, rent deposits, hotel/motel costs? It's not cheap to just up and move. It's a simplistic answer to a difficult problem.

I know a man who drove a little coupe 1,200 miles across this country to a job interview.

it took him 2 days to do it

he slept in the car and ate bologna sandwiches and had a camping canteen full of water.

he did it all on the only cash he had on hand which was a little over $100



it is those who cannot see the simple answers to difficult problems who generally fail.




he got the job