The year of living dangerously: 1983

[Oberon]

One big question that will I suspect forever remain unanswered in regards to the Cold War will be the submarine incursions in Sweden.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Oberon

One big question that will I suspect forever remain unanswered in regards to the Cold War will be the submarine incursions in Sweden.

It depends on who you ask, a lot of material available on the "open" market, the Soviet Union began their explorations of Swedish waters east of Gotland early sixties then there are a number of other incidents that never publicly discredit shown, is there a year or situation as you think on the particular

[Oberon]

I'm thinking post Whiskey on the Rocks, I mean there are many who suspect NATO of sending subs up there to spook the Swedish into maintaining a hardline anti-Soviet stance, and the part of me that is a sneaky little sod would agree with that suspicion. Likewise it's entirely likely that the Soviets sent subs in there to see what the Swedes were up to, I mean I find it very hard to believe that a navigational error caused that Whiskey to ground itself. They were supposed to be there, but they took the wrong turning and ran aground...then there's the question of whether she had nuclear weapons on board.
Things like that, it's very hard to get a definite answer.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I'm thinking post Whiskey on the Rocks, I mean there are many who suspect NATO of sending subs up there to spook the Swedish into maintaining a hardline anti-Soviet stance, and the part of me that is a sneaky little sod would agree with that suspicion. Likewise it's entirely likely that the Soviets sent subs in there to see what the Swedes were up to, I mean I find it very hard to believe that a navigational error caused that Whiskey to ground itself. They were supposed to be there, but they took the wrong turning and ran aground...then there's the question of whether she had nuclear weapons on board.
Things like that, it's very hard to get a definite answer.

Regarding the incident of the U 137 or S-363 as she was called, (Karlskrona, Blekinge, October 27, 1981) the violation was deliberate and part of illegal activities against Sweden, and nothing wrong with the navigational instruments that the Russians claimed then, and even some time later, the violation has been going on several other, more strategic locations, and not only from the Soviets even NATO has had his finger in the game,I am familiar with the waters surrounding Karlskrona archipelago, and it requires great skills to take control device right there is very hindered, and I am not on the net or another,but rather a natural environment of rocks and the very shallow water.U 137 was far more dangerous than what has been known. If the Swedish armed forces stormed the submarine crew had
orders to blow up the submarine with a nuclear disaster,nuclear torpedoes were therefore.

[Gammelpreusse]

I've seen the same documentary. Scary stuff. The whole nuclear weapons stuff is so over the top, it's outright frightening. I'd personally rather risk another full out world war with conventional weapons then having those planet killers around, at all. Even millions of killed people (me included) do not justify the risk of total annihilation of mankind. Anything that is possible to happen, WILL happen, eventually.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Gammelpreusse

I've seen the same documentary. Scary stuff. The whole nuclear weapons stuff is so over the top, it's outright frightening. I'd personally rather risk another full out world war with conventional weapons then having those planet killers around, at all. Even millions of killed people (me included) do not justify the risk of total annihilation of mankind. Anything that is possible to happen, WILL happen, eventually.

This was not a documentary, but live from the scene,regarding the history of U-137.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Gammelpreusse

I've seen the same documentary. Scary stuff. The whole nuclear weapons stuff is so over the top, it's outright frightening. I'd personally rather risk another full out world war with conventional weapons then having those planet killers around, at all. Even millions of killed people (me included) do not justify the risk of total annihilation of mankind. Anything that is possible to happen, WILL happen, eventually.

Vendor isn't talking about a documentary, he was there...

A German telling/posting others how bad they are.....ridiculous. Those who don't see the hipocracy are in the same sespool.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

A German telling/posting others how bad they are.....ridiculous. Those who don't see the hipocracy are in the same sespool.

Making a troll post without adding to the topic discussion, not the first time. Banned for 30 days. - NS