But I was told the free market brought me the best product at the cheapest price!!

[redsocialist]

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Photoshopped, and not even particularly well at that. I established through the series of photos that the relations between Gadaffi and Chavez were not a mere formality. That was no state department visit. These two were friends; they admired each other. As does Chavez admire Mugabe and Ahmadinejad. Level water always finds itself.

[redsocialist]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Photoshopped, and not even particularly well at that. I established through the series of photos that the relations between Gadaffi and Chavez were not a mere formality. That was no state department visit. These two were friends; they admired each other. As does Chavez admire Mugabe and Ahmadinejad. Level water always finds itself.

Hahah really and your point? Do I need to pull up pictures of all the US-Backed dictators which Directly funded/supported or trained armies for them? Do I need to pull up photos of all the wonderful freedom loving military Juntas your government has been supporting/installed? Pull up pictures of all these fine men bellow---------v

Abacha, General Sani ----------------------------Nigeria
Amin, Idi ------------------------------------------Uganda
Banzer, Colonel Hugo ---------------------------Bolivia
Batista, Fulgencio --------------------------------Cuba
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal ----------------------------Brunei
Botha, P.W. ---------------------------------------South Africa
Branco, General Humberto ---------------------Brazil
Cedras, Raoul -------------------------------------Haiti
Cerezo, Vinicio -----------------------------------Guatemala
Chiang Kai-Shek ---------------------------------Taiwan
Cordova, Roberto Suazo ------------------------Honduras
Christiani, Alfredo -------------------------------El Salvador
Diem, Ngo Dihn ---------------------------------Vietnam
Doe, General Samuel ----------------------------Liberia
Duvalier, Francois --------------------------------Haiti
Duvalier, Jean Claude-----------------------------Haiti
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King ---------------------Saudi Arabia
Franco, General Francisco -----------------------Spain
Hitler, Adolf ---------------------------------------Germany
Hassan II-------------------------------------------Morocco
Marcos, Ferdinand -------------------------------Philippines
Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez ---El Salvador
Mobutu Sese Seko -------------------------------Zaire
Noriega, General Manuel ------------------------Panama
Ozal, Turgut --------------------------------------Turkey
Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza ---------------Iran
Papadopoulos, George --------------------------Greece
Park Chung Hee ---------------------------------South Korea
Pinochet, General Augusto ---------------------Chile
Pol Pot---------------------------------------------Cambodia
Rabuka, General Sitiveni ------------------------Fiji
Montt, General Efrain Rios ---------------------Guatemala
Salassie, Halie ------------------------------------Ethiopia
Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira --------------------Portugal
Somoza, Anastasio Jr. --------------------------Nicaragua
Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. -------------------------Nicaragua
Smith, Ian ----------------------------------------Rhodesia
Stroessner, Alfredo -----------------------------Paraguay
Suharto, General ---------------------------------Indonesia
Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas -----------------------Dominican Republic
Videla, General Jorge Rafael ------------------Argentina
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed ----------------------Pakistan

The hypocrisy you show spreads ignorance like the plague.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Too lengthy for me and though I'm not quite the intellectual as you, the world does not buy the corporate imperialist propaganda and what this establishment plans to force upon them.

You post videos with a length of several minutes, uncommented links to tons of texts and then back off when someone takes the time to answer to you personally and adress your statements?
What a pussy!
It takes 6-10 minutes to read and comprehend UnderseaLcpl's text. It certainly took him more time to type it. And your only answer is an unreflected parole? You claim to think on your own while the other world can't?
You are really a joke, not worth any discussion!


@UnderseaLcpl:
I would really like to pick up the gauntlet and answer to your post, especially since you wrote pleasantly unpolemic - and since you come from the left and went to the dark side .
Unfortunately I do not have the time at the moment to answer to it properly (= more than paroles); lefties gotta earn their money, too...
I will answer to you at the latest on Sunday, but be aware that I will be out on a drinking tour on Saturday - after listening to a concert of an anarchist folk & polka singer - I like weird music. However I can certainly think on my own. But you can expect me to be a little polemic due to unsoberness reasons...

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Hahah really and your point?

I thought that my point was evident, but since you clearly haven't been following the course of your own conversation, I'll sum it up with the Cliff's Notes version.

You came to the forums damning the United States of America as decadent, corrupt and imperialist, in that quaint sort of paleo-socialist sort of way. You then proceeded to elevate Hugo Chavez's Venezulean regime as the alternative; an alternative that you presented as pure, pure as the new fallen snow. Chavez was the freer of the oppressed, supporter of liberty. However, as it is shown, Chavez simply offers a different sort of corruption. He and allies are oppressors, but they are not American oppressors.

Therein lies point. That Chavez is not under the American flag is the requirement that you hold. It is the only requirement that you hold. Human rights, democracy, capitalism, what despots one is in bed with; these things are, at best, secondary features. What you desire is anyone who is not an American. You'll cling to that, as your argument has already fallen all around you, and done so repeatedly. Such is the sign of immaturity.

So yes, the United States of America has been corrupt in foreign affairs, and been in bed with some pretty nasty guys. However, Chavez is equally corrupt, and in bed with some pretty nasty guys, albeit different ones. What you are saying is you prefer one style of corruption to another, and that is no argument worth hearing.

[redsocialist]

Originally Posted by Penguin

You post videos with a length of several minutes, uncommented links to tons of texts and then back off when someone takes the time to answer to you personally and adress your statements?
What a pussy!
It takes 6-10 minutes to read and comprehend UnderseaLcpl's text. It certainly took him more time to type it. And your only answer is an unreflected parole? You claim to think on your own while the other world can't?
You are really a joke, not worth any discussion!


@UnderseaLcpl:
I would really like to pick up the gauntlet and answer to your post, especially since you wrote pleasantly unpolemic - and since you come from the left and went to the dark side .
Unfortunately I do not have the time at the moment to answer to it properly (= more than paroles); lefties gotta earn their money, too...
I will answer to you at the latest on Sunday, but be aware that I will be out on a drinking tour on Saturday - after listening to a concert of an anarchist folk & polka singer - I like weird music. However I can certainly think on my own. But you can expect me to be a little polemic due to unsoberness reasons...

Haha, I'm a pussy because I didn't try to debate a petti-bourgeois intellectual? If I really cared so much, I would call up Noami Klein. Hey guess what Penguin?? Its not going to change a damn thing, and like I said the world will not put up with the BS these corporate imperialists try to force upon them. You really are clueless aren't you Btw Penguin attacking me and calling me a pussy sounds like a 15 year old child, maybe act a little more than your age? As for Undersea, once he said "government" better than IMF, I decided it would be a waste of time to rebuttle such an arrogant and outrageous claim.

[flatsixes]

And if you carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow
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[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Haha, I'm a pussy because I didn't try to debate a petti-bourgeois intellectual?

While I don't agree with his use of the term, I would concede that it is the root of the problem that you are having on this forum. Anytime that anyone tries to engage you in a serious manner, or ask any questions of you, your response is to call names, post an image and then run off. By doing so, you make it hard for people to take you or your views seriously.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Hey, this post is not dirrected to you only the OP with his quote from Trotsky.

Hey hey and welcome to a forum. First: if you want privacy, use a PM. Second: I don't remember Trotsky ever saying: Prediction: "But!! But!! South Korea is so much more urban than the U.S.!!!" will be said. Third: and I repeat, an interesting question. Maybe you understand when I put in in the visual language you seem to prefer.

I'm just more and more amused with your choice of key phrases, that's all.

[redsocialist]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

So yes, the United States of America has been corrupt in foreign affairs, and been in bed with some pretty nasty guys. However, Chavez is equally corrupt, and in bed with some pretty nasty guys, albeit different ones.

The USA has supported far worse than any of those dictators chavez's "personal relationships". How about this reasoning. Ever wonder why he would have "personal relationships" with those people? Did it ever occur to you for economic reasons, military aid etc etc... You lost this argument ever since you started puting pictures up of Chavez's allies or political friends. There are Americans in your own country that support Chavez, Oliver Stone a movie producer ring a bell? Is he this evil corrupted killer? You can't attack Chavez by putting pictures up of all his "evil friends". It's pathetic comparing all the pictures of US officials with the many dictators it has done busienss Directly with. The only difference, is most of Chavez's evil friends, doesn't have direct ties to the Crimes they commit. You think those weapons Ghadaffi, used on his people were Venezulean? They were US-made and sold in 2002 by Bush

Seriously, you can do better than that surely,

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

The USA has supported far worse than any of those dictators chavez's "personal relationships". How about this reasoning. Ever wonder why he would have "personal relationships" with those people? Did it ever occur to you for economic reasons, military aid etc etc... You lost this argument ever since you started puting pictures up of Chavez's allies or political friends. There are Americans in your own country that support Chavez, Oliver Stone a movie producer ring a bell? Is he this evil corrupted killer? You can't attack Chavez by putting pictures up of all his "evil friends". It's pathetic comparing all the pictures of US officials with the many dictators it has done busienss Directly with. The only difference, is most of Chavez's evil friends, doesn't have direct ties to the Crimes they commit. You think those weapons Ghadaffi, used on his people were Venezulean? They were US-made and sold in 2002 by Bush

Seriously, you can do better than that surely,

You make it too easy for me. Once again, you demostrate that you are willing to overlook Chavez's record simply because he is not of the United States of America. You've now rendered yourself two-dimesional; a mere caricature. What is most sad is that this argument has been over for days, and yet you continue to fight as though it is not lost; flooding the forums with needless inflamatory rhetoric.

Silly.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

I decided it would be a waste of time to rebuttle such an arrogant and outrageous claim.

But the thing is you don't seem to rebut *any* claim. You've got your beliefs, and you don't seem to want to have an honest discussion about them. You just post some "I'm right and you're stupid" (thank you, Sailor Steve) response and that's it.

That's not very constructive or entertaining.

[redsocialist]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

While I don't agree with his use of the term, I would concede that it is the root of the problem that you are having on this forum. Anytime that anyone tries to engage you in a serious manner, or ask any questions of you, your response is to call names, post an image and then run off. By doing so, you make it hard for people to take you or your views seriously.

Okay fair enough. how about this. I will seriously debate a libertarian on here respectfully. I really do not want to come across as an a-hole, and remember I do not hate the American people. Though i think a lump some of them are brainwashed beyond belief, I do not have a hatred, even to August. Also, regearding that post I'm not debating someone who "prefers IMF to control a country" vs having a government. We can just say "he won" whoo hooo for him

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You make it too easy for me. Once again, you demostrate that you are willing to overlook Chavez's record simply because he is not of the United States of America. You've now rendered yourself two-dimesional; a mere caricature. What is most sad is that this argument has been over for days, and yet you continue to fight as though it is not lost; flooding the forums with needless inflamatory rhetoric.

Silly.

Just another teenager who was brainwashed by commie sources

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Okay fair enough. how about this. I will seriously debate a libertarian on here respectfully. I really do not want to come across as an a-hole, and remember I do not hate the American people. Though i think a lump some of them are brainwashed beyond belief, I do not have a hatred, even to August. Also, regearding that post I'm not debating someone who "prefers IMF to control a country" vs having a government. We can just say "he won" whoo hooo for him

You start off well enough, but then you go on to take jabs as people and end by saying that you're taking your ball and going home. Come on man, be reasonable; no one's going to feel sorry for you here. If you don't want to defend your views, then don't post them in the first place. It's an internet forum; that's what it is for.