New budget proposal

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

HAHAHA How hilarious. OHHHHHHH ohhhhh The Irony!

Here is a more logical effecient budget plan.

1. Cut the $2 Trillion/ a year "defense" spending for the US imperialist agenda and the Arms Industry that use murder for profit and call them "wars" which are Illeagle Occupations
2. Stop the 4 million dollars/ a day funding to Israel
3. Stop the funding to right-wing dictators around the world and giving them military asstince.
4. Stop the funding to US-state department backed "political parties" around the world such as National Endowment for "Democracy".
5. Get rid of the CIA (Central Imperialist Agency), and stiring up/ assassinating democratically elected leaders.
6. Stop making contracts with all the Multi National Corporations that rape the Earth's resources, by merging the state and corporations, eg. United Fruit Company, Goldmen Sachs.
7. Stop medeling in other's countries affairs or bring "democracy" which translates to imperialism and opression.
8. If USA hates Communists so much stop funding/supporting PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party), that it designates as a "terrorist organization", yet supports them to destablize Turkey.
9. Stop ALL THE CORPORATE WELFARE/"Bailouts" and Subsidies to MNCs! If USA really cared about the economy then invent in American jobs,
Stop using slave labor in 3rd world countries using 7 year old girls with 18 hour shifts making 2 cents an hour!!
10. MOST Important! End the 800 bases in 130 countries around the world! Stop USA Imperialism!!

-Feel free to add to this list!

Remember kids, the imperialist state of USA is very expensive, so Americans better get on the streets and stop all that spending from those pesky politicians and that evil commie muslim nazi Obama

1. The occupations are not illegal. Also, the United States of America is not, nor has ever been, an imperialist nation.
2. I'd like my nation to cut back on Israeli funding as well, but why all the Israel hate? You've done this in a few threads already.
3. But the dictators that oppose Israel are okay, right?
4. But I thought that we were supposed to counter the dictators.
5. Central Imperialist Agency. Did you think that up by yourself?
6. Why should only the US stop exploiting natural materials? That would be kind of pointless, no?
7. That is neither imperialism nor oppression.
8. There are no communists.
9. I'd like to stop all welfare. Period.
10. Again, that's not imperialism.

Obama is not a muslim, but did you really just call him a commie nazi?

[redsocialist]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

1. The occupations are not illegal. Also, the United States of America is not, nor has ever been, an imperialist nation.
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Yes it has, since 1776. Ever heard of the genocide of 300 million native Americans? Those are the "real americans" not people who come from countries the US has destroyed oppressed/ then call them "illeagle" What about the "interventionism" during the Cold War, murdering democratically elected leaders, then install dictators that in turn slaughter they're own people MUCH more than any "evil communists" have. Augusto Pinochet ring a bell? oh How about funding Saddam Hussein, and selling chemical weapons.. to fight against Iran. The list would go on and on, but I don't have all the time in the world, so I'll let you find that upon yourself.
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2. I'd like my nation to cut back on Israeli funding as well, but why all the Israel hate? You've done this in a few threads already.
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I don't hate Israel, and what few thread, I just have one other post saying Israel and USA are the real terrorists, and by that I mean the governments. I have friends that are jewish, from Israel, and are against the illeagle occupations.
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3. But the dictators that oppose Israel are okay, right?
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Doesn't matter US will support anyone infavor who supports Israel, the majority are right-wing dictators. Though as usual USA labels those against Israel as dictators like the "evil tyrant of doom" Hugo Chavez who was democratically elected and continues to be.
4. But I thought that we were supposed to counter the dictators.
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Of course not. Don't you understand economics? Corporations like countries that are "stable" so they can obtain more profit and make deals with them
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5. Central Imperialist Agency. Did you think that up by yourself?
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Yes I did, also I have one for NATO (North Atlantic Terrorist Organization), though I didn't come up with it
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6. Why should only the US stop exploiting natural materials? That would be kind of pointless, no?
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All of the first-world countries should stop oppressing the world not just the USA. However, USA comes #1 to imperialism.
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7. That is neither imperialism nor oppression.
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To you and most Americans its "freedom and democracy", to the rest of the world its imperialism and opression.
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8. There are no communists.
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Really? Ha you sure are asleep then, WE're everywhere, though e don't all have the same idealogy. more in more around the world are becoming reds, anarchists, socialists, communists. We are building a United left front.
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9. I'd like to stop all welfare. Period.
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Then you should move to Somolia. That would be a great libertarian uptopia for ya
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10. Again, that's not imperialism.
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Yes it is
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Obama is not a muslim, but did you really just call him a commie nazi?
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Obama is a puppet for the Imperialist state of USA and its biggest salesmen to sell the agenda, IMO. I used commie muslim nazi to poke fun at the absurdity of the right-wing loonies who go around saying USA #1! etc..

[Takeda Shingen]

Redsocialist, I'll just leave it at this: You're using a lot of terms that you either have a very shallow understanding of, or fail to understand completely.

[gimpy117]

I find it ironic that the right says "control the spending" and when Obama suggests just that...everyone freaks and laughs

[redsocialist]

Yes, your right some of these concepts Ihave very little understanding of, I'm just giving my take on it, and I'm sorry if it came out a bit harsh, I just wanted to wake people up a little bit so they can see where the spending is really going. Thats all!

[August]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Yes, your right some of these concepts Ihave very little understanding of, I'm just giving my take on it, and I'm sorry if it came out a bit harsh, I just wanted to wake people up a little bit so they can see where the spending is really going. Thats all!

What makes you think that you know where the spending is really going? What are your qualifications?

[redsocialist]

Originally Posted by August

What makes you think that you know where the spending is really going? What are your qualifications?

Lol, August... anyone can know where it is just look it up. You can see the federal budget plan "official document" of all the spending. Add all the sectors, defense, state department (which is the imperialist agenda) and you see how much spending there is. However, they do leave a lot out, like funding political parties, dictators military aid etc... Some of which is published in the press, like the 400 billion to Saudi Arabia for aircraft.

Hell don't take a anarcho-communist's word for it, take a highly respected libertarian politician's word for it, Ron Paul

[August]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Hell don't take a anarcho-communist's word for it,

I wouldn't take an anarchists word for anything.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

I find it ironic that the right says "control the spending" and when Obama suggests just that...everyone freaks and laughs

When Obama says "control spending" and then offers up a budget which would double national debt by the end of his term, it's hard not to laugh - then freak.

[Rockstar]

Oh yes, Israel again, the sole source of all the worlds woes. I don't get it, there are nearly 6 BILLION people on this planet, of which is less than 18 million Jews. That's less than one third of one percent of the world population! Statistically speaking they should hardly be heard of! Tucked away like the Ainu in a corner of Asia or Inuit in Alaska, bystanders of history. Yet they're in every headline? If they had a neighbor to trade with that didn't want to see them dead. We just might be able to stop aid and let them grow and prosper.

[Sailor Steve]

@ redsocialist: Please do not use the quote function and then add your responses inside the quote. It makes impossible to quote you without retyping everything you said.

Also your replies tend to meander from one subject to the next, sometimes in mid-sentence. This makes them difficult to respond to. But I'll try.

Yes it has, since 1776. Ever heard of the genocide of 300 million native Americans? Those are the "real americans" not people who come from countries the US has destroyed oppressed/ then call them "illeagle"

No, and neither have you. First, the vast majority of those were killed by disease, which is a tragedy but would have happened even if every European who came here had the best intentions. Yes, the Spanish colonists enslaved the native populations. For the most part the English and French left them alone. Are you aware that the first English colony was wiped out by the natives? No one is sure exactly why, but there isn't much evidence that the colonists did anything to warrant that attack.

In 1776 the largest nation on the North American continent was the Iroquis Federation, also known as the Five Civilized Tribes. Other tribes were considered "uncivilized" and at the worst enslaved and at the best treated as second-class citizens. The United States at that time tried to deal with the native population, not hurt them. Yes, we are guilty of lying, cheating and stealing, and of the occasional barbarism, and so were "they". I say "we" rather than the government, because most of it was done by people who wanted something, not an evil government. This was even true of the Spanish. Also, since we do believe in "Government of, by and for the People", anything the government does I consider my responsibility, even when I disagree; and I do disagree a lot.

I also say "we" and "they" in quotes, because I'm descended from English and Germans on my father's side, and some Native Americans on my mother's side, including Arapaho and Apache.

What about the "interventionism" during the Cold War, murdering democratically elected leaders, then install dictators that in turn slaughter they're own people MUCH more than any "evil communists" have. Augusto Pinochet ring a bell? oh How about funding Saddam Hussein, and selling chemical weapons.. to fight against Iran. The list would go on and on, but I don't have all the time in the world, so I'll let you find that upon yourself.

If you don't have the time to link references, then you shouldn't make accusations. As to this one, it's true. The US government has installed many people in power because someone thought it would be advantageous to fighting what was considered a greater enemy. I disagree - I don't believe we should do that sort of thing. That said, in America I'm free to say that. In Soviet Russia you couldn't disagree with the government without risking disappearing forever. How many of his own people did Stalin "purge"?

I don't hate Israel, and what few thread, I just have one other post saying Israel and USA are the real terrorists, and by that I mean the governments. I have friends that are jewish, from Israel, and are against the illeagle occupations.

But you sure sound like you do. You also sound like you're convinced you're right, and have no room for discussion. Let me ask you this: Have you ever said anything similar about the Arabic governments surrounding Israel?

Doesn't matter US will support anyone infavor who supports Israel, the majority are right-wing dictators. Though as usual USA labels those against Israel as dictators like the "evil tyrant of doom" Hugo Chavez who was democratically elected and continues to be.

That was not an answer to the question, but a diversion.

Of course not. Don't you understand economics? Corporations like countries that are "stable" so they can obtain more profit and make deals with them

Here you change the subject to seemingly further an agenda, without actually discussing anything. You keep throwing out claims, but not talking about them. You sound more like a propaganda broadcast than someone who really wants to discuss things.

All of the first-world countries should stop oppressing the world not just the USA. However, USA comes #1 to imperialism.

That's a fine accusation, but can you show that the US is more imperialistic than, say, China?

To you and most Americans its "freedom and democracy", to the rest of the world its imperialism and opression.

Really? Ha you sure are asleep then, WE're everywhere, though e don't all have the same idealogy. more in more around the world are becoming reds, anarchists, socialists, communists. We are building a United left front.

Then you should move to Somolia. That would be a great libertarian uptopia for ya

Yes it is

Obama is a puppet for the Imperialist state of USA and its biggest salesmen to sell the agenda, IMO. I used commie muslim nazi to poke fun at the absurdity of the right-wing loonies who go around saying USA #1! etc..

You really do sound like a walking propoganda machine. Is there any actual discussion in your soul, or is it all automatic hate? I'd like to know what you think your beliefs can do to better the world, and not just how evil certain people are. All the things you've said about America and Israel can also be said about any Communist state and any Arab state.

I'd like to hear what you really think, rather than one-sided attacks.

[Rockstar]

Ah, 'red' who believes the United States of Americun's just appeared out from nowhere in North America made a flag and took the land away from the tribes. Here's a news flash, it was Europeans that came to this continent called North America and started taking lands. It was Europeans that moved west and it was Europeans who rebelled against other Europeans. Made their own flag and just continued the tradition of taking lands with their flag.

And to this day you still can find their descendants arguing back and forth over the internet. Accusingly pointing a finger at each other and complaining to each as to who committed the worst atrocities.

Native Americuns means you were born here, it doesn't mean the only ones are tribal because their ancestors arrived first. I'm native of North Americun too because I was born here. My father's side of the family came from Norway and Finnland (european) . My mom's side is for the most part Prussian and Metis (half breed).

[redsocialist]

I don't beleive "Americacuns" appeared out of no where. I know it was Europeans that came to this land, to take other lands with a different flag. That assumption makes quite a bit of since and you just proved my point thank you. As for spain, yes spain is another imperialist country with just as many deaths/crime as the American Empire. yes, spain probably was more brutal, however we supported the fascists in spain in 1937. Even though Americans volunteered to fight the fascists in the International brigades. I would of volunteered if I was around that time. I'm not trying to come across as hate or propaganda machine. I do not agree or applaud the actions of Jospeh Stalin and the purges, however I beleive that the numbers said against him is not accurate, and a bad excuse to use against communism or socialism. Not all socialist states had little freedom. Socialist Federated Republic of Yugoslavia was just about as free as Americans have now inside they're country if not more. I know there are arabic governments against Israel that are dictatorships. So what? I hate the zionist Israeli government for the murder and genocide, as well as the illeagle occupation of Palestinians. They suffer far more than Israel does from Hamas which is a legit political party. China has its roots in Imperialism, however they were a victim of imperialism as well from Europe. Have you heard of the boxers rebellion?

Here are references for all the US backed dictators. Take it or leave it, if you doubt something further research it yourself.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US...dictators.html

Again I don't mean to sound like a propaganda machine, my point is all around the world we are organizing, weather it be socialist/communist/anarchists or other leftist factions to build a new united left front against the oppression of imperialism. Its growing every day. Thats all. We are witnessing the death of capitalism, and the imperialists are using corporate fascism to save it.

You asked me what I think... I'm sorry if I come across hateful but I really think the USA as a state is the world's biggest terrorist. My point being I do not see any difference in dropping a Mk84 bomb from 65,000 ft saying "Mark 2, drop", and a insurgent in the middle east running to a building, with an IED, saying Alluahakbar. In reality, the Mk84 bomb kills 10 times as many civilians. Thats worse than the so called "terrorist". Or the curfues set by the US military, the stomping in homes, and killing women, children, fathers because they are suspected "terrorist", is terrorism coming from the state of USA. The private contractors roaming around gunning down civilians, or the "bad apples" raping women then killing them, coming from the US military. That is wrong and thats how I feel. To change this? I think if enough people woke up and found out what they're government is really doing, and thought about changing the system, then we may have a good chance of stopping. However, many people are duped in American Idol, MTV, the corporate media etc and couldn't give a damn about the rest of the world. But I think its to late, so its interesting ho it will all play out. Most of the world knows what USA and the imperialists in they're countries are really doing, so not everyone's duped.

[August]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Socialist Federated Republic of Yugoslavia was just about as free as Americans have now inside they're country if not more.

Ok now I know you're just trolling.

[redsocialist]

Originally Posted by August

Ok now I know you're just trolling.

No, I'm not trolling its true. I don't care if you beleive it or not. My friend, was born and lived there it was a free country, you could do w/e you want, literally what ever you wanted. You could even own guns which I am a huge supporter of obviously.